Plastic Sheeting $$$
- Thread starter Bill Clough
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. Its the best price I've found around here, how much can you get 3 mil for?
SteveWiltfong
New member
David Saulque,
Can I get some contact information on where to order 12X200-1.5 at $14 per roll. Thanks.
Steve Wiltfong
Facilities Management
South Bend, IN
Can I get some contact information on where to order 12X200-1.5 at $14 per roll. Thanks.
Steve Wiltfong
Facilities Management
South Bend, IN
mikey
Member
http://www.poly-america.com/
Be “careful” of the Densities, You want the Densities that will stretch and avoid the ones that tear! You might save a little on the other stuff, but wait till you go back down into the kitchen!!!!!!
Be “careful” of the Densities, You want the Densities that will stretch and avoid the ones that tear! You might save a little on the other stuff, but wait till you go back down into the kitchen!!!!!!
mikey
Member
Hey RJ I get down your way often let me know your cell, We can get coffee and chat. Mikey worldwash@bresnan.net
RustyACE
President CHDCA
Improper technique combined with improper plastic sheeting combined with improper tools will result in a less than desirable outcome.
But rarely, if ever, do I come down and find a mess because the plastic sheeting has ripped or torn or formed bellies and pulled loose. Maybe 1 out of a hundred jobs.
Being a 1 man operation requires better wrapping skills than most and attention to detail.
But you are right, don't save money buying plastic sheeting that stretches too much. The hot water from your steam machine will heat the plastic sheeting, allowing it to stretch and then you've got problems.
I use a plastic sheeting that is 1.5 mil thick, 12 feet wide by 200 ft rolls. Very tough recipe, with less stretch qualities than most of the plastic sheeting that I've tried. Overall, I highly recommend it. It wedges well, the extra width gives you more tolerance for errors if you miscalculate your distances and the roll isn't so heavy that you can't lug it around.
Not to mention, that at 200 feet per roll, you can clean a lot of hoods with each roll.
But rarely, if ever, do I come down and find a mess because the plastic sheeting has ripped or torn or formed bellies and pulled loose. Maybe 1 out of a hundred jobs.
Being a 1 man operation requires better wrapping skills than most and attention to detail.
But you are right, don't save money buying plastic sheeting that stretches too much. The hot water from your steam machine will heat the plastic sheeting, allowing it to stretch and then you've got problems.
I use a plastic sheeting that is 1.5 mil thick, 12 feet wide by 200 ft rolls. Very tough recipe, with less stretch qualities than most of the plastic sheeting that I've tried. Overall, I highly recommend it. It wedges well, the extra width gives you more tolerance for errors if you miscalculate your distances and the roll isn't so heavy that you can't lug it around.
Not to mention, that at 200 feet per roll, you can clean a lot of hoods with each roll.
Grant
Administrator
RJTravel said:
RJ, There are those of us that believe that a one man crew is less desirable than a two man crew for multiple reasons including safety, and then there are those that feel that a one man crew can do the same quality job, in the same time and with the same level of safety. It has been debated more than once on this board, and usually becomes quite a lengthy thread.
What are your opinions on one man vs. two man crews?
David Saulque
Senior Moderator
Steve
Give me a call anytime regarding plastic-916-663-3033
Give me a call anytime regarding plastic-916-663-3033
Grant,
I have read the debates with interest, and have no problem with someone who firmly believes the 'one man' mode is safe and wants to operate in that manner. It is not, however, that which I would choose to do myself. There are two aspects with which I would take exception - (1) It is driven solely by avarice - not in itself to be faulted unless overridden by lack of care and good sense (usually the case). (2) Back in the 1990s I had first-hand encounter with one of the earliest 'schools' (now out of business) which taught the 'one man crew' approach complete with sale of turn-key business. Results were disasterous. We may have come a long way since then, but I question which direction. Recently I have acquired some very profitable accounts which would literally be impossible to do with one man - 24 hour stores in which we must complete one system at a time - you absolutely could not keep within the time constraints without a crew.
One more thought Grant - I may be strange but I really LIKE this work, however I'm an old guy and really don't want or need to work that hard! I don't want to retire from active life in favor of a rocking chair, therefore I leave the hard stuff to my helper.
Richard
I have read the debates with interest, and have no problem with someone who firmly believes the 'one man' mode is safe and wants to operate in that manner. It is not, however, that which I would choose to do myself. There are two aspects with which I would take exception - (1) It is driven solely by avarice - not in itself to be faulted unless overridden by lack of care and good sense (usually the case). (2) Back in the 1990s I had first-hand encounter with one of the earliest 'schools' (now out of business) which taught the 'one man crew' approach complete with sale of turn-key business. Results were disasterous. We may have come a long way since then, but I question which direction. Recently I have acquired some very profitable accounts which would literally be impossible to do with one man - 24 hour stores in which we must complete one system at a time - you absolutely could not keep within the time constraints without a crew.
One more thought Grant - I may be strange but I really LIKE this work, however I'm an old guy and really don't want or need to work that hard! I don't want to retire from active life in favor of a rocking chair, therefore I leave the hard stuff to my helper.
Richard
Mikey,
Long time - we last communicated almost 2 years ago regarding pressurewashers and vans and such. I 'misplaced' my cell - if not found and activated in the next day or so I'll use my wife's cell and email you with the number.
I'm surprised you come down this far - must be 5 hours r/t? We were just awarded an account which has some locations north of Cheyenne. I try to stay in the Front Range and don't want 'em - I'll contact you if they don't already have someone for these.
Richard
Long time - we last communicated almost 2 years ago regarding pressurewashers and vans and such. I 'misplaced' my cell - if not found and activated in the next day or so I'll use my wife's cell and email you with the number.
I'm surprised you come down this far - must be 5 hours r/t? We were just awarded an account which has some locations north of Cheyenne. I try to stay in the Front Range and don't want 'em - I'll contact you if they don't already have someone for these.
Richard
RustyACE
President CHDCA
Your points:
1. Greed
2. Lack of concern for safety
3. Inability to perform work
My points:
1. Don't want employees
2. Focus on jobs that 1 person crew can do
3. Grow company to have enough accounts to merit hiring a helper, then eventually crews (if that is what our students want)
4. Want to verify that a person can actually clean hoods, not just memorize fire codes and regurgitate for an exam
5. Want to truly help people change their lives
6. Charge a reasonable amount of money to set somebody up in business (people will spend more on a used truck or car than what we charge)
7. Have trained over 100 people since 1995
8. Have established a nationwide network of hood cleaners working together
9. Focus on people who want to do this for a living
10. Provide ongoing support after training
I'm curious, what was the school that you worked with back in the 90's?
We can agree to disagree, but I think people don't understand what we do. They think they do, but they don't.
We'll be having an Open House May 15, 2005 (think of it as a round table discussion), and everyone is invited. Doesn't cost anything, just RSVP and show up (so I can know how much food to cook). If you're interested, we are going to have an optional (read pay if you want to go) golf tournament on Friday, and an optional dinner cruise that Saturday night. It's held in Nashville, and is set up for families (bring spouse and kids). Come meet me face to face and talk about this industry and what we can do together to change it and move it forward working together, instead of at each other's throats.
We are actively doing something to change this industry, not just sitting back with our heads in the sand wishing someone else will change for us. Sometimes, you just have to step up to the podium and do something, whether anybody else thinks it's a good idea or not. You don't take polls, you don't see what everybody else is doing, you simply do.
There are some mighty big companies that are getting their act together, and us little companies have to band together to have a chance to go after some of these multi-regional accounts.
Now whether you agree with me or not, we're still moving forward with our training program and helping people get into this business with proper training and equipment. We're making sure that they know the fire codes and how to actually clean an entire grease exhaust system and have happy customers. If you don't have happy customers, you won't be doing this business for very long.
1. Greed
2. Lack of concern for safety
3. Inability to perform work
My points:
1. Don't want employees
2. Focus on jobs that 1 person crew can do
3. Grow company to have enough accounts to merit hiring a helper, then eventually crews (if that is what our students want)
4. Want to verify that a person can actually clean hoods, not just memorize fire codes and regurgitate for an exam
5. Want to truly help people change their lives
6. Charge a reasonable amount of money to set somebody up in business (people will spend more on a used truck or car than what we charge)
7. Have trained over 100 people since 1995
8. Have established a nationwide network of hood cleaners working together
9. Focus on people who want to do this for a living
10. Provide ongoing support after training
I'm curious, what was the school that you worked with back in the 90's?
We can agree to disagree, but I think people don't understand what we do. They think they do, but they don't.
We'll be having an Open House May 15, 2005 (think of it as a round table discussion), and everyone is invited. Doesn't cost anything, just RSVP and show up (so I can know how much food to cook). If you're interested, we are going to have an optional (read pay if you want to go) golf tournament on Friday, and an optional dinner cruise that Saturday night. It's held in Nashville, and is set up for families (bring spouse and kids). Come meet me face to face and talk about this industry and what we can do together to change it and move it forward working together, instead of at each other's throats.
We are actively doing something to change this industry, not just sitting back with our heads in the sand wishing someone else will change for us. Sometimes, you just have to step up to the podium and do something, whether anybody else thinks it's a good idea or not. You don't take polls, you don't see what everybody else is doing, you simply do.
There are some mighty big companies that are getting their act together, and us little companies have to band together to have a chance to go after some of these multi-regional accounts.
Now whether you agree with me or not, we're still moving forward with our training program and helping people get into this business with proper training and equipment. We're making sure that they know the fire codes and how to actually clean an entire grease exhaust system and have happy customers. If you don't have happy customers, you won't be doing this business for very long.
Thanks for the invitation to your 'round table'. It sounds like you will pack them twat-a-twat for your tete-a-tete. I could take time from my busy schedule and make myself available, however there are a few stipulations: I require first class air travel and proper accommodations, and insist on a 5 figure retainer. My seminar will include the following advanced subjects (for a greaser): (1) Holding a Scraper. (2) Dumpster Etiquette. (3) Spraying Water. (4) Mop Handling Ergonomics. I mean c'mon! - we are greasers, pure and simple - it takes very, very little 'training' to do the elementary QSR jobs in which you and I major! I keep it simple - I have associates do electrical and suppression systems which does indeed require intense training.
I answered Grant's question only to see an uninvited complete argument. I can plainly understand why the touchy defensive posture, nevertheless - your 'points': (1) Don't want employees. (2) your burning desire is to "help people...change lives" and "set (them) up in business". (3) "trained over 100 people" and safely - per your many posts. (4) "what we can do to change" this industry. First, never in any post have I advocated employees. You cannot "agree to disagree" - you have not one clue how we do it. I respect that the only goal is to help people you have never met nor know anything about. I would do almost anything for family and friends (and have), however I don't have a heart throbbing within for grown men I don't know. Perhaps you would be better believed if you post your vow of poverty or become a monk or something. The rest of us have a reasonable expectation of profit for honest labor. In respect to getting (to you) the "big bucks" for this work, the fact is we are paid for this basic work because few really want to do this grimy, unsavory job at 2AM. The 'safety' issue is still unsettled. Read your last post in the 'New Idea' thread. Something is awry here. The 'teacher' stands idly by while an obvious 'rule' is violated and one electrocutes himself? Are all 3 also licensed electricians or just pretend wannabes? We would have called in an electrician for that specialized work. The culpability here is increased ten-fold. We don't share the burning desire to 'change the industry'. In almost every case 'change' for its own sake is destructive. What 'change'?? We are not "at each other's throats" - I for one am here to learn and am willing to share what I have learned - not to find fault with what you yourself do. It may work for you - I couldn't care less - but that doesn't make it right for all others. These are just some examples of the real dangers of the "just do it" philosophy. Some p/w requires much knowledge, such as housewashing, flat work, fleets, etc, - but if one wants to do simple QSRs very little 'training' is needed. We are at the very bottom of the food chain. We all know that several on these boards will train without cost. Should take 3 or 4 jobs (assuming QSRs), and you can get paid at the same time!
It may be well to note that I.K.E.C.A. is having a seminar in Las Vegas this spring. I would go myself if health and energy permit (unlikely). There should be more accumulated knowledge and experience there than we will obtain in a lifetime cleaning QSRs. You would be well advised to see what others are doing. You may want to do the right thing and advise your associates the benefits of the I.K.E.C.A. meeting, however the southern barbecue does sound tempting!
Richard
I answered Grant's question only to see an uninvited complete argument. I can plainly understand why the touchy defensive posture, nevertheless - your 'points': (1) Don't want employees. (2) your burning desire is to "help people...change lives" and "set (them) up in business". (3) "trained over 100 people" and safely - per your many posts. (4) "what we can do to change" this industry. First, never in any post have I advocated employees. You cannot "agree to disagree" - you have not one clue how we do it. I respect that the only goal is to help people you have never met nor know anything about. I would do almost anything for family and friends (and have), however I don't have a heart throbbing within for grown men I don't know. Perhaps you would be better believed if you post your vow of poverty or become a monk or something. The rest of us have a reasonable expectation of profit for honest labor. In respect to getting (to you) the "big bucks" for this work, the fact is we are paid for this basic work because few really want to do this grimy, unsavory job at 2AM. The 'safety' issue is still unsettled. Read your last post in the 'New Idea' thread. Something is awry here. The 'teacher' stands idly by while an obvious 'rule' is violated and one electrocutes himself? Are all 3 also licensed electricians or just pretend wannabes? We would have called in an electrician for that specialized work. The culpability here is increased ten-fold. We don't share the burning desire to 'change the industry'. In almost every case 'change' for its own sake is destructive. What 'change'?? We are not "at each other's throats" - I for one am here to learn and am willing to share what I have learned - not to find fault with what you yourself do. It may work for you - I couldn't care less - but that doesn't make it right for all others. These are just some examples of the real dangers of the "just do it" philosophy. Some p/w requires much knowledge, such as housewashing, flat work, fleets, etc, - but if one wants to do simple QSRs very little 'training' is needed. We are at the very bottom of the food chain. We all know that several on these boards will train without cost. Should take 3 or 4 jobs (assuming QSRs), and you can get paid at the same time!
It may be well to note that I.K.E.C.A. is having a seminar in Las Vegas this spring. I would go myself if health and energy permit (unlikely). There should be more accumulated knowledge and experience there than we will obtain in a lifetime cleaning QSRs. You would be well advised to see what others are doing. You may want to do the right thing and advise your associates the benefits of the I.K.E.C.A. meeting, however the southern barbecue does sound tempting!
Richard
nightengale
New member
Back to plastic sheeting - some local furniture warehouses throw away lots of good heavier plastic. We have 2 or 3 dozen hood cleaners locally and we seem to get along well. Why not pick up a load of this (free) and each take what he can use? Maybe each cleaner can take a turn - once a month? Has anyone tried this?