Prison: Have you been???

HotShot_Anthony

Greaser of the Year
Sounds like a movie or something huh?

Anyway, my question is Do any of you guys clean the kitchen exhaust systems in any prisons? I know, get the jokes and wise crack over with so somebody can answer my question. There are 6 prison's within working range of me and I was thinking about hitting them up. 4 of them are HUGE. I am wondering what they make you do to go through security with scrapers and all kinds of potentially deadly things that we carry to do our jobs.
 
At my former job, we use to have to take in all kinds of tools to work on their coffee machines. They would have 2 or 3 gaurds standing right with us and asking us every little thing we were doing. It was a pain in the butt just getting in and out of the gate though....It would probably be 10 times worse with my enclosed trailer and all the "stuff" we have and gotta do to do our jobs correctly.
 
I do a county jail down the road from me. The only diffrence is the procedure to clean them is very supervised. They lock down the kitchen area and we are escorted into the facility and only one person is allowed on theroof at the fans and he is escorted at all times.
The people who work with me have to have a background done and they can never of been in that jail or have any family members in the jail. At the end there is a inspection of both us and the equipment and a real through inspection of where we were to see if we left anything
 
I worked in a different line of work back in 95. I did a Correctional Facility in TEXAS. Every single tool had to come off the truck..laid out and inventoried, same procedure on the way out. You'll have to find out what the budget is for cleaning..on one like that I would come right out and ask what are you paying now or how much can you pay. I would bid this job with a fat multiplier because you will only be able to do the one job on that day....the in process and the escort is going to eat tons of time up...and as you all know time is greasy money!! Good luck it's a great idea in an effort to take a bite outa grime. I am gearing up to hit the Pharmaceuticals on Island a little less security intensive but a PITA factor involved just the same.
 
We do 2 county jails, and 1 minimum state prison. We used to do a medium security prison, but the hassle was not worth the effort. Teh staff was made up of wanna-be cops, all with a bad attitude.

Ask what there requiremeents are, clothing requirments, tools allowed/not allowed, insurance requirements, time allowed in to work, prisoners contact rules, hostage rules, there are a lot of rules, some of which make no sense & some of which make lots of sense. you may need to be finger printed, be run throught LEDs, furnish references. Do a walk through with a maintence person, ask lots of questions, ask about roof access, personnel safety issues. Tell them what your process is, chemicals used, water needs. Jon and I are on the approved contractor list at the local minimum prison, and are allowed freedoms other contractors are not. We can go certain places unescorted, other places we need an escort. We are allowed to take in all of our tools, even sharp things and matches. Certain items are definatly not allowed, like tobacco, drugs, money and porn. Even some tools we are alowed to take in cause nervousness with the guards, like extension ladders that reach the top of hte fence, matches, cell phones. Youmay need to unload un-needed tools/parts and leave them at the shop. figure that in your price. We lock up what we can. Don't push the rules, most are in place for a reason.

Allow extra time to enter, they may want to search the vehicles, you may need an inventory list that is checked off on entry and exit. Ask/tell the guard to look for lost tools when you are done. If they do not want to look for tools, write it on your service report/invoice and have them sign. Some places will allow you to use inmate labor. When we have used inmate labor, they were good workers. They did seem to pay lots of attention to access panels though. Inmate labor cost us $10.00 a day.

We charge more for the prison/jail work, because of the extra hassle.
 
I'll never again do a job and any correctional gig. Big PITA (don't say a thing Russ) you get searched and tools taken away, you'll tossed into the kitchen with people around you with nothing better to do than cause ****. That's my experience I FLAT OUT WILL NOT DO IT AGAIN.
 
Actually with us we were totally alone in the kitchen and the guards were really decent. Now the roof was a complete pain in the ... since they have to literally lift up razor wire to get the fan cleaned, but they gave some really thick gloves to handle the stuff with. Now upon LEAVING theyw ere really strict as far as the "count" on our tools but it was all done at the exit and they went through the kitchen while they "counted" how many scarper blades and shims we had.
 
I'll never again do a job and any correctional gig. Big PITA (don't say a thing Russ) you get searched and tools taken away, you'll tossed into the kitchen with people around you with nothing better to do than cause ****. That's my experience I FLAT OUT WILL NOT DO IT AGAIN.

would i do that ??????:p
 
At the medium we do not do, they were never ready for us. I would set up the job a week in advance, call the day of service and talk to maintance, and security. I called from the freeway, about 20 miutes out, I again called at 10 minutes out. When we arrived no one knew we were scheduled to be there. They were always completly surprised when we rang the door bell. Then they could not find the keys to the gate. The keys were in tower above us. The had a real hi tech way to get the keys to the guard at the sallee port. A fishing pole was used to lower the keys. They lost the tool inventory we faxed to them. After inspecting the van, I drove into the facility. My helpers walked. We got to the kitchen. I again explained what we were going to do, where we needed access to and what keys they needed. The maintence man kept trying to shut down the HVAC system, even after I told him that was not a fire alarm panel. Finally I sent my one of my guys to shut down the alarm system. After we got set up, both hoods draped and ready to go, I found they still did not have keys to get us on the roof. I told one of my guys to let the guards know I was on the roof. I grabbed the extension ladder off the side of the van and laddered the roof. A guard came out and asked where the I found the ladder. Actually he used different words, but the meaning was clear. until then I thought ladders were manufactured in a factory. I told him the ladder was on the side of the van when the inspection was done. Then they realized I needed on the roof. No one knew where the keys were. Finally a set of keys appeared. We went on the roof. The whole thing was a cluster.

One time my LEDs had expired. They realized that the day of the appointment. But they did not let know, and they could not run the LEDs on my w/o my permission. So nobody did anything. And because my LEDs was expired, I was not allowed in. I suggested they run my name then, or call the Baker County Sheriff, or call whoever was on duty at the Oregon State Police or the City Police. Of course any of that would require a decision which none of them were qualified to do. I went home and raised the price.

Another time we showed up, of course no one knew of our appointment. My helper knew he could not wear blue jeans, so borrowed a pair of white coveralls. The rules had changed and white was not allowed in the prison. I had a pair of insulated coveralls for him, in August at 98° F! As were leaving the next morning, we see the civilian kitchen staff arrive, wearing white coveralls.

The next time, the prison had been expanded., more kitchens Again, our arrival was a complete surprise. Despite an inspection prior to the cleaning, the fans were bolted down, the staff did not know where the fan switches were, and the gas resets were something they had never heard of. A guard was supposed to go on the roof before me. She had never climbed a ladder before. I was up and down before she had built up the courage to climb the ladder. The guards spent the evening playing cards on the computers.

The next night our arrival was expected. they lost the tool inventory sheet. I gave them my copy, but would not let them out of my sight. Again, no knowledge of the fan switches, gas valve resets or even a water supply. All of that was to have been located before our arrival. It was not. We went to work, with the guards (a new bunch ) in the way. A little inattention on my part w/the PW hose and they moved out of our way. As we were leaving, some one noticed the appliances did not work, no gas. I just smiled and said "not my problem, you were to have found the the gas reset before our arrival." We left, I don't know how they cooked breakfast for the inmates.

Prisons can be good pay, but the staff can be assholes.

Now our local minimum prison, we don't mind going in there. Even if they do not know we are scheduled to be there, we are allowed in to go to work. The guards listen to our needs and as long as we don't try to leave before the count is done, we don't have any real problems.
 
Anthony, We do med-hi to low security fed prisons. Make contact with food service, they make the decision on cleaning and maintanance. YOu just need an appointment to get in. Day of cleaning have names of contacts and times. Background checks should have been done weeks before appointment. Have photo id's and truck inventory. Have multiple copies for you, guards, salie port etc. We get in and get it done and get out. considering the time to prep, travel do the job and return we run at 200.00 hr. Easy money once you get tuned into the system.

Russ , have that prison wallet checked !!
 
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