I believe so to, but there has abeen alot of confusion in this thread all because of differences in terminology.
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I believe so to, but there has abeen alot of confusion in this thread all because of differences in terminology.
The Cleaner
Vetran Washer 30 Years Plus
1 unit would include the 4 homes. I know how i work and many others on here. If you can move at the rate stated you would make great money at the $300.00 per unit.
I know Jeff does alot of these and he may be a little higher on price because of location, but he can eyeball a unit and come up with a price per unit and get right thru it in no time!!
This really all depends on your equipment and skill, if you are a newbie at this i suggest you give the work to a pro and go along for the knowlege. That would be the best on the job training you can get!!
There are jobs that will look all daunting to you, and you may think it will take you a week to do, but a pro can go thru it in hours, that is how you make the money and bid the job at a price that is making you money.
I dont know about you but i cant do this as a hobby, there needs to be a decent profit in order to grow your bizzzz!!!
FCPWLLC
Senior Moderator
1 unit would include the 4 homes. I know how i work and many others on here. If you can move at the rate stated you would make great money at the $300.00 per unit.
I know Jeff does alot of these and he may be a little higher on price because of location, but he can eyeball a unit and come up with a price per unit and get right thru it in no time!!
This really all depends on your equipment and skill, if you are a newbie at this i suggest you give the work to a pro and go along for the knowlege. That would be the best on the job training you can get!!
There are jobs that will look all daunting to you, and you may think it will take you a week to do, but a pro can go thru it in hours, that is how you make the money and bid the job at a price that is making you money.
I dont know about you but i cant do this as a hobby, there needs to be a decent profit in order to grow your bizzzz!!!
Amen!!
offdutyfireman
Active member
I won't get into who should charge what but there is plenty of money to be made at 55 a unit. We just walked in the door. 4 guys did 18 buildings today with 8 units per building at 50 a unit. That's 7200 for a 9 hour day. Multiply that by about 35 days here on this project and worked lined up like this for about 5 more months this year plus residential. I don't consider this a hobby. It's a good paying job that keeps me happy and paychecks for my guys. Ya'll line up a bunch of townhomes for 300 a unit and sub them to me for 50 a unit and we'll all be happy
Spencer
New member
I won't get into who should charge what but there is plenty of money to be made at 55 a unit. We just walked in the door. 4 guys did 18 buildings today with 8 units per building at 50 a unit. That's 7200 for a 9 hour day. Multiply that by about 35 days here on this project and worked lined up like this for about 5 more months this year plus residential. I don't consider this a hobby. It's a good paying job that keeps me happy and paychecks for my guys. Ya'll line up a bunch of townhomes for 300 a unit and sub them to me for 50 a unit and we'll all be happy
I think you are still confusing unit and building. I can assure you Nick does not mean $300 per door! Per building!
FCPWLLC
Senior Moderator
I won't get into who should charge what but there is plenty of money to be made at 55 a unit. We just walked in the door. 4 guys did 18 buildings today with 8 units per building at 50 a unit. That's 7200 for a 9 hour day. Multiply that by about 35 days here on this project and worked lined up like this for about 5 more months this year plus residential. I don't consider this a hobby. It's a good paying job that keeps me happy and paychecks for my guys. Ya'll line up a bunch of townhomes for 300 a unit and sub them to me for 50 a unit and we'll all be happy
William, that is great money. The issue those guys had earlier was that Unit and Building were being confused.
Spencer
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If we only had more vinyl in FL!!!!! Gotta love the stucco!!!
Mike Hemric
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810f250
Griffs Services PowerWash
Here's my 2 cents.
The price should be based on the requirements for the individual business performing the task to complete it timely, satisfactorily and with their desired profit applied.
That being said, different companies have different profit margin structures. Profit does consider the companies G&A or Fee. The G&A or fee alone could put some companies out of the price competitive range for some jobs. (That's just 3 variables affecting price already).
Some other variables mentioned were, Quantity,size, and functionality of Equipment; Speed/experience of work force, Risk management.
Some business operations today are very calculated , utilizing the least expensive qualified direct labor, the most efficient methods and equipment if possible, all three combined with a lower overhead (multi functional personnel) and the willingness to shave their higher profits margins of yesteryear.
Sometimes their is no way to beat the competition on price (I am talking about "non-hack" competition).
Most of us like to know that we bought something at a great price, but not every merchant could or would sell you the same exact product at the same price.
My resent experience: I just purchased a brake controller at my local truck shop, another I purchased at an online/brick and mortar store out of state for 60% less excluding my state taxes, and the out of state purchase was an upgraded model. (How they do that? It would be the same way with some jobs and pricing)
I dont wash buildings/units , but I have heard of companies that roll up on a HOA/communities with 4 trucks, 2 (10gpm) machines each. I have also seen pictures of a trailers with 6 high volume machines. Their model maybe lower pricing higher volume, I am not sure, and they are busy all season.
The price should be based on the requirements for the individual business performing the task to complete it timely, satisfactorily and with their desired profit applied.
That being said, different companies have different profit margin structures. Profit does consider the companies G&A or Fee. The G&A or fee alone could put some companies out of the price competitive range for some jobs. (That's just 3 variables affecting price already).
Some other variables mentioned were, Quantity,size, and functionality of Equipment; Speed/experience of work force, Risk management.
Some business operations today are very calculated , utilizing the least expensive qualified direct labor, the most efficient methods and equipment if possible, all three combined with a lower overhead (multi functional personnel) and the willingness to shave their higher profits margins of yesteryear.
Sometimes their is no way to beat the competition on price (I am talking about "non-hack" competition).
Most of us like to know that we bought something at a great price, but not every merchant could or would sell you the same exact product at the same price.
My resent experience: I just purchased a brake controller at my local truck shop, another I purchased at an online/brick and mortar store out of state for 60% less excluding my state taxes, and the out of state purchase was an upgraded model. (How they do that? It would be the same way with some jobs and pricing)
I dont wash buildings/units , but I have heard of companies that roll up on a HOA/communities with 4 trucks, 2 (10gpm) machines each. I have also seen pictures of a trailers with 6 high volume machines. Their model maybe lower pricing higher volume, I am not sure, and they are busy all season.
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offdutyfireman
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I dont wash buildings/units , but I have heard of companies that roll up on a HOA/communities with 4 trucks, 2 (10gpm) machines each. I have also seen pictures of a trailers with 6 high volume machines. Their model maybe lower pricing higher volume, I am not sure, and they are busy all season.
Nigel, You just described my business and equipment. And probably Jeff Lecours
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Nigel, You just described my business and equipment. And probably Jeff Lecours
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offdutyfireman
Active member
I am out of town on my laptop so I can't access my pics but there on some on PT State but I couldn't tell you how to search to find them. I have two enclosed trailers, a flatbed Chevy, and an old Merita bread truck(p30 chevy). Each has 2 8 gpm machines, two pressure reels, two supply reels, two surface cleaners, various what nots, spare unloader and pump. F250's gas motors pull the trailers.
FCPWLLC
Senior Moderator
Completely agree, which is why I always advocate guys leaning thier numbers and figuring out how to price based on those numbers instead of coming to the BBS and asking what to price. What works for one won't work for another. I never say that William is cheap but rather his numbers would break my business. Just using his example, it came out to $200/man hour which is great when you got 4/5 guys making that day in and day out. But my company which for the most part is usually me and 1 helper, couldn't make payroll at those numbers. Why? Well we only work 8 months out of the year, don't have condos governed by HOA's/PM's on evey corner and MY own salary requirement is higher than most.
William has a sweet Business. As well as Jeff L. I have even considered transplanting to thier areas for the volume.
Anyhow, I hope guys understand that I am not bashing lower priced models but rather trying to be the fine print that they need to read before following pricing advice on a BBS. They need to learn sound business fundamentals before trying to calculate thier prices. Winging it will only get ya so far.
David O'Connell Jr
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offdutyfireman
Active member
I've got about another week here, then home for a few weeks. Back for two weeks in April, then Nashville, Huntsville, Asheville. No more traveling after that til the winter. I like to stay local during the busy season.
offdutyfireman
Active member
Michael, I'll tell you the same thing I told Fenner.Come run the business end of my company and let me spray water. We'll both be happy and make money
. The thing I hate most is dealing with the phone and talking to customers. Leave me in my shop welding and tinkering or washing and I am happy.
jlpressure
JL Pressure Washing
Building price vs unit price
The 1st three pictures are condo buildings and the forth picture is a townhome style building complex
Townhomes I give a PER UNIT price. That means one building has say 5 units I do $xx X 5 units
Condos are usually full 2, 3, 4 or more floors with units on each floor. I do not give a per unit price on CONDO STYLE buildings. Condo style buildings, there is a lot more to factor in than on townhome buildings. Condo buildings usually have front walkway/breezeway areas, balconies, a lot more that you have to cover & protect (lights, elevators, fire pull stations etc etc ). With all the different levels on the fronts that you usually have to clean it adds a lot to a job
Townhomes I would kill to do townhomes every day, they are much easiers and can fly right through them. Condos are easy too
Condos I price per building because a condo can be a big square box but more work. Condos can have what 4 units up to 21 units so its harder to figure per unit price, just because of the design of them, unit over unit, so I just give a per building price. The property if they want can figure out what its costing per unit if they want
Oh and be careful when you write up your numbers. I just F'd up a proposal. I typed a number per unit and I typed it wrong by $10 a unit less than I normally charge. But I added it up at the lower price. OUCH. I didnt realize it until the PM called and said we probably have it. So I looked at the proposal and went OH CRAP. I am going to have to honor that price and will still make decent money, man this is the 2nd time in 3 years I screwed up something like that. Just was busy and didnt pay attention. Thank goodness it was an easy townhome style buildings
Even the King screws up LOL.
The 1st three pictures are condo buildings and the forth picture is a townhome style building complex
Townhomes I give a PER UNIT price. That means one building has say 5 units I do $xx X 5 units
Condos are usually full 2, 3, 4 or more floors with units on each floor. I do not give a per unit price on CONDO STYLE buildings. Condo style buildings, there is a lot more to factor in than on townhome buildings. Condo buildings usually have front walkway/breezeway areas, balconies, a lot more that you have to cover & protect (lights, elevators, fire pull stations etc etc ). With all the different levels on the fronts that you usually have to clean it adds a lot to a job
Townhomes I would kill to do townhomes every day, they are much easiers and can fly right through them. Condos are easy too
Condos I price per building because a condo can be a big square box but more work. Condos can have what 4 units up to 21 units so its harder to figure per unit price, just because of the design of them, unit over unit, so I just give a per building price. The property if they want can figure out what its costing per unit if they want
Oh and be careful when you write up your numbers. I just F'd up a proposal. I typed a number per unit and I typed it wrong by $10 a unit less than I normally charge. But I added it up at the lower price. OUCH. I didnt realize it until the PM called and said we probably have it. So I looked at the proposal and went OH CRAP. I am going to have to honor that price and will still make decent money, man this is the 2nd time in 3 years I screwed up something like that. Just was busy and didnt pay attention. Thank goodness it was an easy townhome style buildings
Even the King screws up LOL.
