1/4" coupler among other thing

814jeffw

814jeffw

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The 1/4" coupler on my trigger had an issue I've never seen before. The bearings started falling out until there was only 2 left. It was the General Pump brand. Anyone else experiencing this?
Seems a few common parts we've used for years are going downhill the last few years. ST-2000 trigger gave up last season,..and it had just been replaced about a month earlier. There was a valve issue or something. Now this coupler literally falling apart. Hi-Draws aren't lasting very long either,..Had a brand new one to start the season and had to take it apart yesterday to put the spring back in place.

*Keep extra everything on hand.

Jeff
 
I had a stainless steel coupler do that a couple years ago but have had about 10 crack either on the threads when installing them or the ring that slides up and down crack after about a month.

I have had the general hi draw go bad within a month or a couple months for a while now and am looking for other brands, they used to last about 6 months about 5 or 6 years ago but the quality has kept going down hill since then.

I have had several trigger guns go bad within a month or two where they would last at least 6 to 9 months in the past.

I have never had any brand of dual lance gun last more than a few months in the past, now they don't last but 2 or 3 weeks until they start leaking from the side handle and I don't over tighten it to close it, they just are sloppy quality since about 5 or 6 years ago.

Again, it would be nice if stuff bought would last so we can make more profit before having to replace our tools so fast, be much nicer if the manufacturers took more interest in the quality of the tools they make instead of how fast and how cheap they can have them made in china to sell to us.

Seems like we need manufacturers read these forums and listen to the complaints but I think they know about their quality since they have shipped a lot if not all of their manufacturing to china for more greedy profits at the expense of the contractors.

It would be nice if they would honor some kind of warranty on things, seems like it is too much hassle to contact them to deal with it and I would hate to complain to the great vendors that post here on PWI.
 
Seems like there is parts that aren't stainless on stainless fittings. I have always had a problem with the balls and mainly the inside of the sleeves on stainless couplers. They start to rust and can't open and close easily. I also have had guns go bad like Chris. The last one went bad within minutes of downstreaming. A $30 gun that lasted 5 minutes. That's no good in my book.
 
There's a huge price gap between the imported stainless couplers...($5.50)...and high quality American made Hansen...($17.55). Many just won't pay the difference.

You'd better buy GP high draws by the bag. There are better quality injectors...but...
Robokim - very good quality, heavy duty injector. They're $31.55. Only available in adjustable and not high draw.
Dema - I just sold a dealer that services a manufacturing plant that phosphatizes metal, 4 Dema stainless steel injectors. his DEALER cost was $135.00 each. They'll last fro a LONG time, but max draw is around 15 - 18:1.
I got a few MTM high draw injectors to play with. They're even cheaper than GP so if they last as long or longer and draw right...why not?
 
Russ Johnson said:
There's a huge price gap between the imported stainless couplers...($5.50)...and high quality American made Hansen...($17.55). Many just won't pay the difference.

You'd better buy GP high draws by the bag. There are better quality injectors...but...
Robokim - very good quality, heavy duty injector. They're $31.55. Only available in adjustable and not high draw.
Dema - I just sold a dealer that services a manufacturing plant that phosphatizes metal, 4 Dema stainless steel injectors. his DEALER cost was $135.00 each. They'll last fro a LONG time, but max draw is around 15 - 18:1.
I got a few MTM high draw injectors to play with. They're even cheaper than GP so if they last as long or longer and draw right...why not?
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Hey Russ,.I hear ya' on the spending more to get more,..but regarding couplers,..I think the grievance is in the fact that,..in the past the cheap ones lasted an acceptable amount of time,..even at a cheap price. My concern with buying a $17.00 coupler is it won't perform as to what the price reflects. Maybe they will,..and if I keep experiencing the issues mentioned above by me and a few others,...I may have to resort to going to the higher grade.

Like Chris said on the GP Hi-Draws,..they used to last,..now they don't and are very erratic on the reliability,..will it last 10 minutes or two months. So , it's not like we've just always cheaped out,..we bought what was an acceptable piece,....now the acceptability seems to be waning.

As far as the trigger I use, (ST-2000) They have always served me well,..the issue I had last year was chalked up to a bad run on valves as someone mentioned at the time,..and that happens. We shall see on the ones I have now.

Jeff
 
You said it Russ. Most won't pay for the good stuff. If there's even a difference in quality of the good stuff anymore?
It's the "Wal Mart"/throw away mentality.
No different with our services! Some will pay for the quality we offer, some won't (splash & dasher's).
I'm guilty of buying cheap at times.

I'll step off the soap box now...rant over.


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Eric,..did you read my response to Russ? I don't think you're getting what the problem is. The "cheap" stuff wasn't always as cheaply made as it seems to be heading,...as I stated,..I'm not sure there is a coupler worth $17.00,..my opinion of course. It's not as if we buy cheap stuff and then complain that it breaks,..we complain that it's NOW breaking in about 1/2 of the time as it used to last,..where as before the time we got was VERY acceptable and wasn't even thought about. So coming here and saying we don't want to pay for good stuff is WRONG!!,..The question remains,..is some of the so called good stuff worth 3 times the cost of what was once acceptable parts. Hi-Draws used to last a whole season,..$15.00,.. so it was very acceptable,..now you have to keep spares on hand for the spares,..the "better" ones can be $90-$100+,...not many wanting to spend that hoping they are made better and will last.



Jeff
 
Dont think Eric has been in the business long enough to know what you are trying to explain but i definatly understand i bought 5 injectors an non of them worked an the spray tips are a joke they last an then the pattern spreads out like crazy an then you have to put them in vise an squeeze them to get them back tight again.
 
814jeffw said:
As far as the trigger I use, (ST-2000) They have always served me well,..the issue I had last year was chalked up to a bad run on valves as someone mentioned at the time,..and that happens. We shall see on the ones I have now.

Jeff
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Ok,..So I replaced an ST-2000 late October last season,...it was a brand new trigger at the time,..it is now very early in the season,..it went today,..the same way the other one did,..they just keep spraying,..It actually has a tight spot where it gets stuck open as you're pulling the trigger,..like the halfway point,...then if you continue to pull it it will go wide open,..and sometimes it will snap shut when the trigger is released,..other times it doesn't. The previous ones that went bad would begin to weep,..but not stick half or wide open. Doesn't make any sense. Had them both apart and can't find any obstruction between the spring and the seat that would make it keep spraying. So,..I finished the job with the brand new spare. In the meantime I picked one up from a local vendor for another spare,..got it fitted with high pressure swivel and coupler and tried it,...it was bad right out of the gate. Time to go to another brand I guess.

*I just went deeper into the valve assembly,..i pulled the valve out and then pulled the "cap" off that holds the ball onto the spring,..I can't see anything wrong or out of place,..I remember a conversation over at PtState about these valves, and the conclusion was broken springs,..but my springs aren't broken??

Jeff
 
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Maybe we need to have the manufacturer reps join here and start communicating with us about the issues of quality of not only guns but spray nozzles, injectors, and other supplies and equipment that we purchase for our businesses.
 
814jeffw said:
Ok,..So I replaced an ST-2000 late October last season,...it was a brand new trigger at the time,..it is now very early in the season,..it went today,..the same way the other one did,..they just keep spraying,..It actually has a tight spot where it gets stuck open as you're pulling the trigger,..like the halfway point,...then if you continue to pull it it will go wide open,..and sometimes it will snap shut when the trigger is released,..other times it doesn't. The previous ones that went bad would begin to weep,..but not stick half or wide open. Doesn't make any sense. Had them both apart and can't find any obstruction between the spring and the seat that would make it keep spraying. So,..I finished the job with the brand new spare. In the meantime I picked one up from a local vendor for another spare,..got it fitted with high pressure swivel and coupler and tried it,...it was bad right out of the gate. Time to go to another brand I guess.

*I just went deeper into the valve assembly,..i pulled the valve out and then pulled the "cap" off that holds the ball onto the spring,..I can't see anything wrong or out of place,..I remember a conversation over at PtState about these valves, and the conclusion was broken springs,..but my springs aren't broken??

Jeff
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Same problem with st2000. Leaks(keep spraying) sometimes then it will stop, and then leak again.
 
Was that an MTM Hydro?

I bought some spray nozzles from 2 different vendors as the nozzles from one vendor were all different meaning the yellow 15 degree nozzles all had different fans, as narrow as about 5 degrees to about 40 degrees, same problem with the green nozzles and white nozzles.

I bought some from another vendor and the same thing so I know it was not a bad shipment, it is a bad factory with bad workers and bad or no quality control.
 
Yea Christopher,.that's screwed up,..literally and figuratively.

@Art,.I'm about to switch to a different brand of injector,..most likely the Super Suds Sucker.


I ordered the General YRL51 trigger gun from Bob yesterday,..hopefully it holds up a alot better.

Jeff
 
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