2 step pointers please!

Riley Harth

Riley Harth

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Hey guys Im trying to get comfortable with Fleetwashing Im new to it and really need to get it down asap. I understand the general concept of 2 step.Few Q's
Can Acids be downstreamed? should i just use delevan pump and hose line to start out? Or can delevan safely feed a seperate line to a gun with the inlet before the lance?
Are these Acids basically just HF? what about polished, what to use?
I dont get the impression fleetwashers use spot free water or do they? I was thinking just using some spray wax would help the tractors look good enough. I appreciate any feedback guys this will be my second season in business and need to do better this year.
 
You can d.s. acid or apply with a Delevan, which ever you prefer.
As far as running a hose from the Delevan to the gun that's something worth a try.
Most brighteners are a combination of HF and other buffers yes.
When dealing with polished you can use a critic acid at a weaker rate and you must use a truck wash that doesn't contain any caustic. In this scenario you'll find yourself brushing a little more.
No spot free water is necessary.
Spray wax might help but wouldnt be neccessary and you would still need to soap and rinse the truck first. Waxing would be an add-on if the company was wiling to pay for it.
 
OK thanks that clears it up a little better. Downstreaming would be my first choice id say but wouldnt i have to walk back to rig everytime to switch products? anyone else with some fleetwash tips?
 
Yes you would unless you used the delevan for one product and down streamed the other like you questioned before. Or if you had a helper running a second machine.
There are remote systems with selenoid valves that you can setup as well to switch from one soap to the other.
 
I wouldn't upstream the acid and put it under pressure. Pretty dangerous when you blow a line, not to mention wrecking your pump. Yes, you would need to go back to your pump to switch unless you set it up with solenoids that switch everything for you remotely (direct wire or remote control) or go with another cleaning system that's on the market. (wink wink)
 
Blaine, how much is that other cleaning system on the market you use? Some reason everyone at Fleetwash academy uses one but doesn't seem to know the answer to that question.
 
Those of us that have the BioClean system don't talk too much about prices, that is between the buyer and Blaine and sometimes prices change, I would hate to give out a price and it not be current or correct.

There are some more answers in FWA about this.
 
cmturner said:
If you downstream both your caustic and acid make sure to stick your downstreamer in water in between the 2 to keep from causing the 2 chemicals from reacting in the containers and then being worthless.
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Or he could have 2 seperate lines with valves going to a tee to the d.s.'er.
 
Christopher said:
Those of us that have the BioClean system don't talk too much about prices, that is between the buyer and Blaine and sometimes prices change, I would hate to give out a price and it not be current or correct.

There are some more answers in FWA about this.
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That doesn't make any sense to me. If I had an industry leading product I would be pretty proud of what I charge to sell it for. I would hope my customers would be proud to say what they purchased it for if it saves them time and money.
 
I don't see how that would not make any sense, you can always call Blaine and see what he is charging for the system like the rest of us did.

Those of us that have it really like it and say good things about it to others that want to get a much better system but the selling part, talking money, cost for chemicals, parts, etc.... that is up to Blaine and the person interested.

Again, it is not that people don't know the answer, it is out of respect to Blaine that prices are not talked about so Blaine can talk to real customers about it if they are serious, interested, and maybe even the tire kickers out there.

I am sure that if you wanted to find out, give Blaine a call and talk to him about it.

If you wash trucks, chances are the BioClean system will make a big difference in your business like it has done for us that have the system in many different ways.
 
Christopher said:
I don't see how that would not make any sense, you can always call Blaine and see what he is charging for the system like the rest of us did.

Those of us that have it really like it and say good things about it to others that want to get a much better system but the selling part, talking money, cost for chemicals, parts, etc.... that is up to Blaine and the person interested.

Again, it is not that people don't know the answer, it is out of respect to Blaine that prices are not talked about so Blaine can talk to real customers about it if they are serious, interested, and maybe even the tire kickers out there.

I am sure that if you wanted to find out, give Blaine a call and talk to him about it.

If you wash trucks, chances are the BioClean system will make a big difference in your business like it has done for us that have the system in many different ways.
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Chris, I didn't ask anyone in particular how much they paid for theirs. I asked Blaine himself (see post #6) how much they run. I also asked on FWA.
If I started a thread or posted a question to any distributor on here to give me a price on "xyz" they would do it. Worst case scenario they could give me a ball park figure.
Blaine sent me a pm on FWA last night.
 
Johnson said:
Chris, I didn't ask anyone in particular how much they paid for theirs. I asked Blaine himself (see post #6) how much they run. I also asked on FWA.
If I started a thread or posted a question to any distributor on here to give me a price on "xyz" they would do it. Worst case scenario they could give me a ball park figure.
Blaine sent me a pm on FWA last night.
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It's not a you want it buy it type of thing. You must be a fit for the system meaning Blaine may it may not lease it to you. Not everyone can get it for that reason do calling him is the best answer for you. I am sure when Blaine sees this or your other post he will pm you or call but he has been in vacation for a couple weeks and just getting back and things in order.
 
Chris I've already spoke with him on FWA. He gave me a price and explained about the starter kit. He didn't mention I would have to be "pre-qualified" in order to purchase or lease one.
 
There are many ways to skin a cat or two step a truck.However i will break it down for you.The caveman method is to have to chemical containers number 1 and 2 apply the acid then walk back to the vehicle pull the line out and put it in the soap and go from there.Then you can go up from there to the tryed and trued drop cord method which involves 2 dema valves a drop cord and a three way toggle switch that will switch them for you at the flip of a button.Then there is the remote which is great untill it stops working or gets interferace from the heater.By the way when you use the dema valves you have to use a little bit stronger mix than if you go back and switch by hand.Then there is Blaines system if you have big fleets and you have a rig just for truck washing i would say this is the best way to go.Either way you gonna have to get out there and crawl before you can walk.I would start out with a O/O and wash that truck and see if you like this kinda work.Good luck in choosing your system.
 
Kiloman said:
There are many ways to skin a cat or two step a truck.However i will break it down for you.The caveman method is to have to chemical containers number 1 and 2 apply the acid then walk back to the vehicle pull the line out and put it in the soap and go from there.Then you can go up from there to the tryed and trued drop cord method which involves 2 dema valves a drop cord and a three way toggle switch that will switch them for you at the flip of a button.Then there is the remote which is great untill it stops working or gets interferace from the heater.By the way when you use the dema valves you have to use a little bit stronger mix than if you go back and switch by hand.Then there is Blaines system if you have big fleets and you have a rig just for truck washing i would say this is the best way to go.Either way you gonna have to get out there and crawl before you can walk.I would start out with a O/O and wash that truck and see if you like this kinda work.Good luck in choosing your system.
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Explained perfectly, each and every one of us has our preferred method's, chemicals, etc... The main thing is your happy with the results you give the customer and they are happy with your service.


I can say this, the largest companies all do it the same way. DS acid and upstream soap. No fancy wands, no trigger guns, no unloaders, just as basic as can be. Start the machine, wash until your done then stop; no setting the gun down for breaks until the lot is finished
 
ok thanks for the insight guys. And im still curious as too what this bioclean systems all about... I think ill be fine applying my acids for now with the pump and downstreaming, possibly upstream my soap. Theres a need for fleetwashing in my area and im excited to fulfill it. thanks
 
See if there is someone that will let you help them wash some fleets for a day or two to see if you even like washing fleets, some get into it and then change their minds.

I would do that before investing in any different equipment or chemicals than what you use for what kind of work you do now.

There probably are guys that are within a few hours of you that might not mind you learning something while helping them, see who is close to you and contact them and see what happens, it can dramatically shorten the learning curve and help you from making a lot of mistakes.
 
Kiloman said:
There are many ways to skin a cat or two step a truck.However i will break it down for you.The caveman method is to have to chemical containers number 1 and 2 apply the acid then walk back to the vehicle pull the line out and put it in the soap and go from there.Then you can go up from there to the tryed and trued drop cord method which involves 2 dema valves a drop cord and a three way toggle switch that will switch them for you at the flip of a button.Then there is the remote which is great untill it stops working or gets interferace from the heater.By the way when you use the dema valves you have to use a little bit stronger mix than if you go back and switch by hand.Then there is Blaines system if you have big fleets and you have a rig just for truck washing i would say this is the best way to go.Either way you gonna have to get out there and crawl before you can walk.I would start out with a O/O and wash that truck and see if you like this kinda work.Good luck in choosing your system.
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Thats a good description. We run a 2 man crew down streaming both chems. 1 applying the acid the second soap and then both will rinse. With this method you can usually do 3-6 trucks and trailers at a time before they dry. With a one man crew I have a 3 way ball valve and just walk back and switch the chems. If you do it right you usually only have to walk 10-15 extra steps to get to the valve so wasted time is minimal. With this method you can usually do 1-3 units at a time before they dry.
 
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