a web of ansul system pipes
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Douglas Hicks
Member
If those are Ansul system pipes, they are exceeding the maximum pipe lenghts. The galvanized piping also indicates the system is an Ansul R101 dry chemical system. However, it is not the piping one needs to be concerned about, it is the conduit that can set the system off.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
Dave Olson
Workin North of 60
Hello Chris,
I hope you are forwarding these pictures to Phil.
Dave Olson
I hope you are forwarding these pictures to Phil.
Dave Olson
David Saulque
Senior Moderator
Can't we all see the building inspector saying " What a great building concept. If something goes south you (I) can always blame the cleaners, so lets have a look at your rodent control policy & yes those pipes can be used to hang your chickens on".
Phil Ackland
KEC Expert
Chris
I've only been doing this for 35+ years. Would you please explain exactly what we are looking at on those two outside pictures.
I want to get it right so I can ask for an explanation at the NFPA 96 meeting. These are classics!
Thanx
I've only been doing this for 35+ years. Would you please explain exactly what we are looking at on those two outside pictures.
I want to get it right so I can ask for an explanation at the NFPA 96 meeting. These are classics!
Thanx
Douglas Hicks
Member
Phil, the problems are
1. the the piping length exceeds the lenght allowed by Ansul
2. the piping and conduit is not properly suported
3. the tank is installed in an area that exceeds the temperature range of -20 to +120 degrees F, this is a UL requirement
4. the tank and control head are not in an are that is accessable for service.
5. There is no appliance shut-off.
I am sure that if a picture waws posted showing the appliances and the plenum, more defiencies would be found.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon,Inc
1. the the piping length exceeds the lenght allowed by Ansul
2. the piping and conduit is not properly suported
3. the tank is installed in an area that exceeds the temperature range of -20 to +120 degrees F, this is a UL requirement
4. the tank and control head are not in an are that is accessable for service.
5. There is no appliance shut-off.
I am sure that if a picture waws posted showing the appliances and the plenum, more defiencies would be found.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon,Inc
cgibson
facilisales Machine
Doug - thanks for your input. They sure do have a lot of things to correct. I appreciate your technical knowledge.
Phil - the photo with the red ansul bottle shows that the make up air duct was capped off long ago. The grease duct and fan are to the left of the bottle.
I really don't think that mounting the ansul bottle on the side of the old make up air duct is the best choice....exposed on the roof and all.
Later someone connected a round KD duct to the side of the old make up air duct.......but that swamp cooler is now long gone and the duct is exposed and wide open. Any mouse/rat/bird or UFO could fly in and make a nice home inside there directly above the hood. The hood has the make up air vents directly above the chef's head attached to the stainless hood.
Needless to say this place has a lot of problems - none of which the owner knew about. He just bought the place last year and has done no maintenance on it including Ansul service.
In the other photo (the 1st) you are basically looking at the ansul pipes strung in betwen the two grease ducts. The rest of the round rusty ducts in this photo are A/C ducts none of which were working. It looked like the A/C units themselves had not been operational in many years themselves. The breakers were shut off on the roof.
I knew something was wrong before I even went on the roof because the dining room was pretty warm, there were open doors with fans placed on chairs and the temp outside was around 98 degrees (pretty hot day in sunny Southern California).
The heat in the kitchen was not caused by grease but by a lack of make up air.
The heat in the restaurant was caused by a lack of A/C.
The owner was a nice Korean man and his wife, but they have very poor english and no real idea what they got themselves into when they bought the place.
Sometimes I feel like a detective when I see places like this...no maybe in this case a archaeologist.
Phil - the photo with the red ansul bottle shows that the make up air duct was capped off long ago. The grease duct and fan are to the left of the bottle.
I really don't think that mounting the ansul bottle on the side of the old make up air duct is the best choice....exposed on the roof and all.
Later someone connected a round KD duct to the side of the old make up air duct.......but that swamp cooler is now long gone and the duct is exposed and wide open. Any mouse/rat/bird or UFO could fly in and make a nice home inside there directly above the hood. The hood has the make up air vents directly above the chef's head attached to the stainless hood.
Needless to say this place has a lot of problems - none of which the owner knew about. He just bought the place last year and has done no maintenance on it including Ansul service.
In the other photo (the 1st) you are basically looking at the ansul pipes strung in betwen the two grease ducts. The rest of the round rusty ducts in this photo are A/C ducts none of which were working. It looked like the A/C units themselves had not been operational in many years themselves. The breakers were shut off on the roof.
I knew something was wrong before I even went on the roof because the dining room was pretty warm, there were open doors with fans placed on chairs and the temp outside was around 98 degrees (pretty hot day in sunny Southern California).
The heat in the kitchen was not caused by grease but by a lack of make up air.
The heat in the restaurant was caused by a lack of A/C.
The owner was a nice Korean man and his wife, but they have very poor english and no real idea what they got themselves into when they bought the place.
Sometimes I feel like a detective when I see places like this...no maybe in this case a archaeologist.
Douglas Hicks
Member
Just looked at the photos again, and i am embaressed. That is not an Ansul, but an HDR 50 DC Kidde System. I should have waited for the pictures to load completly.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc.
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