Are you certified?

What about your certification?

  • I am or plan to become Delco certified

    Votes: 3 5.0%

  • I am or plan to become IKECA certified

    Votes: 14 23.3%

  • I am or plan to become PWNA certified

    Votes: 18 30.0%

  • I am or plan to become Phil Ackland certified

    Votes: 8 13.3%

  • I am or plan to become CHDCA certified

    Votes: 5 8.3%

  • I do not plan to become certified until required

    Votes: 13 21.7%

  • I do not plan to become certified ever

    Votes: 11 18.3%
  • Total voters
    60
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Matt you forgot about the BS certification.
 
David Saulque said:
Be nice Josh-didn't nean to slander your group.
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I was being nice, it was an honest question, and a sincere compliment. Maybe a bit cleverly written, but sincere. I have been thinking about that $5. I've had my eye on a Rams coffee mug, which just happens to be about $5. ;)
 
I was certified in 1988 by Black Magic. Does it count? Who certified the school certifier. Do the local fire inspectors have any say as to who does the certifing? They probably should. If they dont recognize your certification does it still count? What qualifications are required for certification? Who sets the qualifications. What if the certifing compaines have different standards. Who is the most qualified to be the certifier. What if Rusty doesnt have the same standards as Phil and IKECA has an entirely different set of standards for qualifications from the other two compaines? What about all the other certifing companies that arent really certified according to Rusty and the rest of them? Do they count. I am confused. Must be from the lack of fundamental standards. Who set those. Not NFPA. They dont have any rules or guidelines for certification. How about the company that has the biggest or most posts. They could be the official certifier. SHHHHHHHHHH What about the Grease P lice? Are they the ones to step up to the plate? They certainly have the most posts. And they are intimidating. I vote yes, ah No, ahh wait hmmmm let me think about it.
 
Ed, you made a lot of good points in that post. There is nothing preventing ANYBODY from offering a certification. IMO, no certification is any more credible than another, because of the lack of regulation. Certification is NOT even required in the KEC industry, so I do not understand why it is such a hot topic to begin with.

Certification serves two purposes:

1) Marketing tool: Advertising that a company is certified often times gives a customer a false sense of security, because they believe that a certified company will clean their systems properly. All too often that is NOT the case.

What happens when other certified companies in your area create problems, by their shoddy level of workmanship? You lose your marketing strategy, because certification in your area now means absolutely NOTHING to the clients "burned" by your competitor's ignorance. To address this issue would seem to be too much effort, as some would have you believe.

2) Verification of a company's knowledge of the KEC industry and NFPA 96: Certification proves that a KEC company knows NFPA 96, and how it relates to a KES. In the event of an exhaust system fire, it is now easier to divert some of the financial burden created upon the KEC company, even if the cause of the fire wasn't related to the cleaning. ie: electrical problems, improper installation, etc.

IMO, certification in the KEC industry is completely merit-less.
 
Lets See ( General Contractor's License in MS ) Pyro-Chem , Protex Distributorship, 16 years of experience. Osha Certified . DOT Licensed test and refill.. , Ansul trained and certified thru International fire and safety..

I would go and get a hood cleaning certificate but Most of the School teach different ways than I am used too .. And what I do has worked great for me for 16 years now so why waste the money..
I am also hard -headed and really hard to teach new things too... Thats why I have been self employed so long...
 
getting a cert would be beneficial for sure.....where do you get these?
 
Send me $1500.00 dollars and I will send you several questions to answer and a certificate.
 
My guess is if you were to go in after that company did the job I can guarantee that the system was not cleaned to NFPA 96 standards ie BARE METAL I.m having that problem down here all the restaurants are more than willing to let me come in and do my free inspection but when I sit down with them present the photo's and my estimate of there improperly cleaned system the first thing out of there mouth is your price is double what I'm paying now. Go figure then I explain to them why there is a difference and they don't understand there is always someone out there doing 1/2 the job for 1/2 the price but I refuse to sign my certificate and stick on there hood unless the job is done right. It's my A$$ on the line.dh
karen said:
Matt, I wish we could get that kind of money. Competition is tight. I won't ask anyone to post what they charge, but I have looked at the old Delco price guidelines from 3 years ago. We're lucky to get 60% of the average. There's a new company in town doing orientals for $180 (2 hood, 2 fan), and at another place, 2 other companies bid $300 for a 5 hood, 5 fan setup.
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I've been keeping an eye on Boston lately. An Asian Restaurant burned to the ground (imagine that) and 2 fire fighters died.

Basically, the grease exhaust system had so much grease that once it caught fire, the grease started to melt and run back into the kitchen and sprayed everywhere and the restaurant went up in a ball of fire.

The grease exhaust system had been cleaned by a NON Certified grease exhaust cleaner, and had only been cleaning the hood/filters (not ductwork).

(for more info go to: http://hoodcleaningschool.blogspot.com)

Hood Cleaning School is keeping a log of obvious Kitchen Grease Exhaust System Fires.

So, Boston, is in the process of requiring that every Grease Exhaust Cleaner in Boston be properly trained, qualified and certified.

The Certified Hood and Duct Cleaner's Association (CHDCA) is doing our part to help this idea of certified hood cleaners.

We are having our Annual Meeting June 8, 2008, and are inviting ALL concerned Hood Cleaning Individuals to discuss these important topics.

If you are a NON CHDCA member, we only ask that you RSVP (let me know that you are coming) and be willing to donate $5 (towards the cost of your burgers and drinks.. which will be provided). (Obviously, if you are a CHDCA member.. it's free)

It will be from 11am till 4pm and is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

Summary:
What: Annual CHDCA Meeting
Where: 920 New Deal Potts Rd, Cottontown, TN (use Map Quest)
When: Sunday June 8, 2008 from 11am-4pm.
Why: Discuss Certification of Hood Cleaners
Who: All Hood Cleaners

Thanks,

Russell Clark
615-866-0804
www.hoodcleaningschool.com
www.chdca.com
 
I think thats great what there doing in Boston it will sure help to some extent but the real problem starts with enforcement. Local,State,Fed or Insurance need to adopt a nation wide policy for inspection and empower somebody to enforce the laws/requirements and fine or shut down the restaurants that refuse to comply. As it stands now the restaurant has no reason to clean system complete top to bottom to Bare Metal alot of what I see is cosmetic cleaning. I find it hard to believe that insurance companies do not have requirements in place when they write restaurant policies to force owners to keep there systems cleaned to the NFPA 96 standard I mean the fire code is written and in place why not follow it. If you follow the news across the country grease fires in commercial kitchens happen almost everyday what more proof do they need. dh
 
to NFPA 96 standards ie BARE METAL
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Actually thats no longer in there. That standard was too hard to achieve for many so the advisors to NFPA and the powers that be have decided to relax the standard so your average blow and goer can comply with code.
 
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