Fleet Washing Chemicals

hELLO

SOME SOAP'S ARE CAUSTIC AND SOME ARE NOT.
R109 IS NON-CAUSTIC. You can wash most everything with it.
Brown Derby is a caustic- it has soduim hydroxide in it. It will brown up some alum surface's.
I like the power of sod. hyd for most of my cleaning.
dbn-1430 is sod hyd based and is used as a substute for acid in 2 stepping. You pre-soak with dbn then use the r109 to wash. Then rinse.
This is a pretty safe way to 2 step.
In my opinion their is never going to be a way to replace 2 stepping with HF acid[alum brightner] followed by any truck wash.
This is thought of as being out dated and dangerous by some.
HF is VERY NASTY.
I have a qestion for SCOTT.
Is the dbn1433 panel boss the same exsact thing as BROWN DERBY?
 
ron i ve look at bolth the dbn-1430 and the dbn-1433 i dont see anywhare that it says the 1433 has sod hyd in it and i belive you said the brown derby does just tyin to help let m know what you find out iam thinkin of useing the 1433 as well
 
IF you look at the MSDS of the 1433 it says that there is NaOH in it.
As for teh 1433 being the same as the Brown Derby. I have no proof, but from all that I have observed, and knowing the formulation copying in the Chem industry, I would bet that they are the same, or at the least are close cousins.

Scott
 
scott have you used the R-109 and if so what did you think about it and how does the 1433 compair to the blue truck wash powder from ankem ? ..... Are you guys useing any wax in your soap thanks agin
 
I have used the R-109. The 1433 and teh Blue truck wash powder are not even similar. Blue is Non-Caustic. It does not clean as well, and is a ton less expensive. The r-109 is really an excellent soap. The price is right, and it works, especially if you are going to brush. I just like the Blue better because it does seem a little more effective for one step use, per ounce of soap, and it has a deodorant quality that is nice for Garbage trucks.

Scott
 
Whats the Best Fleetwash Chemicals ?
thebigjr said:
Ok, lets see if we can get a discussion going.

I want to know what you guys use (as far as chems) for fleet washing. Please let us know what you like and don't like about the products.

I do mainly detailing and hand washing, so I use ZEP-O-SHINE wash and I wash by hand with a wool mitt or a soft brush when I am doing larger trucks and RVs.

I look forward to your imput.

***If you sell chemicals please do not reply!***
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Some of the better "brown soaps" out there are basically the same but you need to check pricing.

A few vendors sell a product that is similar to another vendor's product and is very close the the same pricing for a 55 gallon drum kit where there are a couple vendors that will sell you the same 55 gallon drum kit for almost double what the other vendors sell it for.

This is the tricky part. The drum kit is a 55 gallon drum kit, that is all, it will not make 2 drums, 5 drums or anything else the full of B.S. vendors want to say. You make up the drum kit and use injectors or dilute it for direct application methods or other ways to apply the chemicals.

Where the B.S. comes in is where they tell you that you can apply it at 70:1, 100:1, 200:1, 300:1 or I have even heard of 500:1 People that say this diaper-load of crap have never been out in the field washing for a living, they are just making up numbers to feed you the B.S. or what the supplier they buy it from is saying to them to help them sell more product.

For washing trucks, trailers and heavy equipment every 2 weeks or the washing is further out I would stay lower than 50:1 but more like 30:1 but you don't want to apply it stronger than 30:1 as there is a possibility of damage to certain things but so far I have not damaged anything at 30:1 and rinsing, don't let it dry on the surface ever.

Russ J. at Southside and Brad J. at Midwest have some great truck washing soaps and have excellent prices. I have used their products and they are great! I am only talking about the brown soaps like Panel Brite and MC Thunder, not talking about other soaps in this thread like the excellent BioClean prewash and soap as they are not brown.

I had one vendor tell me that the drum kit they sell makes 1 drum then you dilute it to make 2 drums then you can apply it at 50:1 on up to 100:1 and it does a great job. What a load of crap!

Another thing to think about when buying a "brown soap" whether it is called Panel Brite, Brown this or Brown that, king derby, mountain derby, derby this or derby that or whatever it is called, it needs to be so dark you cannot see through it whether the bucket is 5 gallons or 55 gallons. I can dilute this stuff at 2:1 or 3:1 and you still cannot see through it. If what they are trying to sell you is somewhat clear, get out of there unless you like getting screwed. Unless it is as dark as coffee and you cannot see through it, you are getting ripped off plain and simple no matter what load of crap they try to tell you. Remember, they are chemical salesmen and they are trying to sell you a bucket of watered-down garbage that will not work for commercial fleet washing if it is not dark and has one of the above names or similar.
 
One other thing to compare when buying drum kits is the total weight of the kit. I had a customer call the other day and informed me he could buy a kit of brown soap for 20% less. I asked him what the kit weighed. 45 lbs was the answer. So...he wants to pay 20% less for almost 50% less product.
 
That brown in the soap is not whats doing the cleaning please panel brite is one of the oldest and cheapest soaps to make.Like caveman soap lol.
 
Cee Quest 1000 is a mixture of sodium glucoheptonate isomers ans oligosacharides.That is a dirived from sugar its a chelating agent for alkaline soaps thats has a ph of 9-11 weighs about 10 lbs a gallon.That real brown color starts out as a really redish brown color them as its mix with water becomes dark brown.Its also made here in good old Nc.The potasium hydroxide thats in it also can have a light brown color but not the distinct color as cee quest 1000.I didnt mean to spark a debate with anyone just trying to clear up what Chris was saying about the color which is really not a good indicator of chemical strength.Its a good cheap cleaner to use because of the high ph.It doesnt brighten aluminum or do a very good job of cleaning it due to the other products in there which i will not post due to respect for the guys selling this product that includes you to Russ hope i didnt anger you by your sarcastic post calling me illustrious.LOL
 
One of the things I was trying to say Hal was that I know guys that bought what they were told was "Panel Bright" or one of the "Brown" or "Derby" soaps but was really watered down and did not work good at all. They called and emailed me and we communicated and they realized that they bought watered down crap instead of a good soap.

One of the chemists I talked to said that the carbon black that is in the soap does something but I forgot what it does but he said it was important and helps to darken the soap.
 
It doesnt start out as black its really a dark red i have some i just made a batch of soap.There is no carbon black in anything like that.The color has nothing to do with anything.I can send you some pink soap that will out clean anything you have ever had or can get.The stuff that makes panel brite or what ever clean is potasium hydroxide and caustic thats it.There is not much chemisrty in that soap i promise.It cleans because of the potasium hydroxide.If you dont belive me take some straight panel bright and it will clean a gutter faster than soap on a rope.That chemist that said something about black carbon was full of bs.I can make a 1 step that will clean with good results and leave the aluminum clean so i only have to apply acid like ever third wash because i like to wash fast and with the rising fuel cost we all need ways to keep the profit up.
 
Lol clear or pink or brown chose one lol.Its got to do with the color of the products that go in plus you can dye it any color you like.I like the red dye,acid is blue so easy to tell the difference.
 
Are you sure Hal? This guy has been blending chemicals for over 30 years now and he has some great brightener that I use on the very hard to clean aluminum trailers that most other high HF acid brighteners don't clean easily, most need multiple coats, even with/without 2 stepping. His brightener is clear, no dye or coloring in it but I would like to color it so I know it from other chemicals, I was told that I could use food coloring but I don't know if that is true or not.

I was told by several people that the panel bright has like 7 or 9 components, I know a few of them but not all of them. I would not want to buy 55 gallon drums of all that stuff as I don't have the room here plust that would be expensive to purchase but then I would be able to make drums for a long time if I could do that but I will not.

The brown soap I use on the solid waste trucks that are washed every 10 weeks or longer does a great job on the aluminum tanks, wheels and battery boxes and a lot of times I don't have to use brightener as the soap cleans off all the junk, not sure how it does that or why but it does a good job.

It would be cool to color some soaps a fluorescent color like orange, green, blue, etc..... it would be different that would be sure.
 
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