Garbage Trucks?

X-STREAM H2O

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Ok so Im quite new to all this pressure washing stuff. My Dad currently is an employee for a waste company in Southern Wisconsin. The company he works for had Ryder washing their trucks. Guess the company did a horrible job getting them clean so my Dad had the bright idea to buy a hot water unit and convince the company to allow my Dad and I to clean them 4 hrs a day, 2 days a week (suppose to be bi-weekly but we split it to 15 trucks a week due to both our busy schedules with our main jobs). Right now we are getting a front load truck done every 45 min with brushing. I know we can get it done faster!!! The problem we are in is that we arent super familiar with the EPA standards, how to collect the runoff and what to do with all the residual debris that comes off the truck, how to filter the collected waste water, and where to get rid of it once it is filtered. We are looking at purchasing a vacu-boom (is this a good item or is there cheaper, just as effective systems) because the water boom we purchased sucks major ass for retaining water. I also am curious to what detergent/chems work well for getting garbage trucks clean. I want to do the 2-step process but im super nervous with reading on how dangerous it is. Anybody here from wisconsin that would love to take me under their wing and give a few helpfull hints and techniques? Im not looking to expand the company at all. My heart is with fire fighting and with the spare time Id like to help my dad out and earn a few extra bucks. He isnt expanding either because the benies are too good at his current job. All profit is going to retirement fun and as well as taking advantage of the write-offs. ANY BODY PLEASE PLEASE give input!!!!

Thank you all so much for the help ahead of time!!!

~David
X-Stream H20

ps for all that are wondering...yes we are insured. $1 million...this enough??
 
Also the chemicals I use now I ordered from Andy at Pressuretek.com I got the f-13 and mixing a ratio of about 20:1 cuz the trucks are super dirty due to going a few weeks if not months without getting washed due to my dads company waiting for us to get our new equipment. I like the chem, but it seems to leave a really bad white film compared to the airline cleaner detergent we received with the unit. I really feel my dad and I need to get these trucks more clean than we are. Also with the heat of the trucks should I be using heated water or no? if so any suggestions to what temp I should go at? Ive heard hard water makes things more difficult as well which is what we have right now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YTLjeMsmhA

anybody use this system? seems to get the truck clean with little effort. perhaps they cut and paste the brushing? :)
 
David...while you are at it...Read this...

TRUCK AND FLEET WASHING from Bob at http://www.pressuretek.com/

Truck and fleet washing can be a very steady and profitable venture allowing the Mobile Power Washer to have a steady income regardless of the season changes. Although many owner/operators are inclined to want your service, it is probably better to seek the truck fleets such as: Delivery Companies Steel Companies Leasing Companies Most of the fleets are interested a twice a month or weekly service which allows you to more easily work out a schedule. So how does one go about building a clientele? We’ll take it step by step.

AVOID THE FRONT DOOR The best way to locate potential customers is to take a drive during the evening hours or on the weekend. It is then that you will find the trucks parked. Not only does this give you an outlook of how many and how they are parked, but also allows you to scope the parking area for water recovery required. Another idea is, as you travel your daily route, pay attention to trucks you see on the road. Keep a small pad of paper in your vehicle to write down names of truck lines and phone numbers. A sizable “call list” can be made very quickly. Once you’ve located the fleets or made your call list, contact the company by phone or stop in. Try to get to the person from the warehouse door as that is usually where he is. Going through the frond door usually allows you to chat with a receptionist. Upon meeting with the person in charge, introduce yourself and your service. Ask him or her if they are presently using a washing service. If they are then they are already aware of the convenience so it is just a matter of if they are happy with the service. If they aren’t using a service explain what the service is, what you will do for them, the convenience of having the vehicles washed on a day when they are idle, and the cost savings compared to bringing the trucks to a wash rack and using their own employees. Always carry a copy of your insurance and references to present to the customer. Remember.........a truck or delivery vehicle creates over 1 million visual impressions a year. PRICING Although pricing will vary in different areas, the norm is usually as follows: Tractors: $6.00 to $10.00 Trailers: $10.00 to $18.00 Straight Trucks: $8.00 to $15.00 Don’t try to just cut someone else’s pricing. If you do it’s just a matter of time before someone cuts yours. A customer obtained by the offer of good service will be around much longer than a customer obtained with a discounted price. THE ART OF TRUCK WASHING What makes truck washing efficient is solely related to the chemicals and equipment used. GPM’s are more important than pressure. Usually 5 or more are needed to wash efficiently. The more GPM the more flow and therefore the more water that will hit the surface. Hot water is also important to help remove any grease or oil on the truck. An alkaline soap, usually with a ph of 13, works very well with little or no brushing. Applied through an injector on the pressure washer, soap the cab and wheels. The frame can usually be cleaned with hot water saving time and soap. After applying the soap rinse with clear high pressure, paying more attention to the windows, mirrors, bugs on the front of the truck. Very quickly you will get a “feel” for how much of the vehicle you soap at one time. Rinsing is much like spray painting.....pay attention to what you have sprayed....not what you are spraying. Focus on the area behind the fan of water this way you can see any potential striping. The front windshield especially should be rinsed a few times to avoid any soap film running from the roof. Washing a straight truck or trailer is the same except you have the back doors. Usually soaping the front cab or front of the trailer, the side, and back doors can be done at one time since the surfactants in the chemical keep the surface wet for a while. This of course can vary depending on the temperature. Again....you quickly get a feel for this.

Acid (a mixture of hydrofluoric, sulfuric, and surfactant) is used to brighten aluminum. It can be also used as the first chemical in a 2-step process. In this process, the acid is applied to the surface first and the alkaline is applied right over the acid. The reaction between the two causes the dirt and film to lift from the surface allowing for a quicker rinse. This process is used when the surface has an exceptional amount of road film or rust runs from the mirrors or rivets. If after you wash a vehicle you can still “write” on it with your finger....then a 2-step process is needed. Once 2-stepped it is usually easy to maintain with just an alkaline wash. Remember...you are selling a service...not a one time wash. OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT THAT MAKES LIFE EASIER A water tank is a very helpful tool. Some stops where they only have five or six trucks can be serviced more quickly by running off the tank. Your schedule can be arranged so as the next stop may have more trucks and you can hook up to a water source filling your tank while washing the trucks therefore leaving with another full tank. Most contractors use a 200 gallon up to a 500 gallon tank. A couple brushes and poles are a good idea to keep on hand. Every once in a while you will run into a truck that requires brushed. Usually a standard 6” and a 14” are good sizes to have. Keep a variety of wants on hand ranging from the standard wash lance to longer ones for those times when the air shields need a direct wash. These can either be purchased from your parts supplier or made with quarter inch pipe available at hardware stores. Water softeners are needed if you decide to wash car lots. Cars are usually rinsed with water only. Only the wheels are hit with soap if they have brake dust on them. Although the going rate for cars is usually $1 -2.00 each, they wash quickly and it is not uncommon for a lot to have a couple hundred cars. The water softeners are usually canisters that have replaceable cartridges. They can be leased through various water softener companies. The “deionized” water allows the vehicle to dry spot free. In conclusion remember....it has to be efficient. Discuss various options with your equipment supplier as far as type of equipment, layout of equipment in your truck and little “tricks of the trade”. You will find that your supplier very much wants you to be successful. After all....the more successful you are ....the more you will be requiring additional equipment.
 
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I have a customer here who washes 3 different garbage truck fleets. He uses Panel Bright. Doesn't brush much at all. If you'd like a sample, call me.
 
I am super interested in this Panel Bright stuff. Would love to get a sample to give it a try. (Russ-be expecting a call from me tomorrow!) These trucks on this particular account are quite nasty so I'm willing to try anything. I do understand nothing is going to compare to 2-stepping. I just don't feel too confident trying to use that method until I have had the proper training. Some day it will happen! So does anybody have a secret in collecting the run-off? Im really curious to how the vacu-boom performs with all the mud and debris that comes off these trucks or if I could make a system for much less money.
 
David,
You can give me a call I am familiar with the epa requirements for Wisconsin and can explain and show you two stepping or other methods. I also use the Vacuboom system and can give you some tips in using it in the most effective way.
 
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