help needed from the best

[carlos]

hi all
calling all you "can do" guys an gals for help on a project in england, land of cold, damp, wet weather.
little problem that i need help with.
i have been asked to come up with a plan to clean approx 20,000 sq mtrs of outside block paving surrounding a stadium complex.
it is used for conferences days and nights, it is used for soccer matches, nights mid week and day or evening at weekends, the restraunt facilitys are on the go six nights a week.
problems
how to clean and sand in short time slots when getting dry spells almost impossible.
site has multiple waste collection points heavily soiled and will need chemical treatments, site close to water course
how to clean without putting water run off into storm drain
all and any help will be much appreciated, someone out there must do u.s stadiums


thanks all in anticipation

carlos

 

[Scott Stone]

Gee, is that all of the issues that it has? Let's take it one issue at a time. The way we measure, it is about 211,000 square feet.

It is used for conferences days and nights, it is used for soccer matches, nights mid week and day or evening at weekends, the restraunt facilitys are on the go six nights a week.

Every location has different problems. The biggest thing here is the near 24/7 operation is a bit of a challenge. You could probably start at 2 or 3 in the morning and work until you cannot stand it anymore. If that is not a possibility, maybe you can schedule teh high traffic areas for that time, and do the other areas during the day. Just use barricade tape, or something to block the area off, and let the management know. It is a little harder to work, but you are going to have to make allowances.

how to clean and sand in short time slots when getting dry spells almost impossible.

You are going ot have to block the area off. There are not a lot of other choices. I would not let the rain keep me from cleaning, but that is just me and it does not rain much here. My experience has been that it is actually easier to clean because it was been prewet. But of course, others have different opinions. The sanding can be set aside until you have a dry day, and then do as much as you can, until you do not have any areas that have been cleaned to left to do.

site has multiple waste collection points heavily soiled and will need chemical treatments, site close to water course, how to clean without putting water run off into storm drain

You can use a wet dry vac with an auto pumpout. If you cannot purchase one there, you can get a small sump pump and put it inside. The challenge for you is to have a location to pump it out to and store it, and where to dispose of the water. The most difficult areas are going to be the dirtiest areas. You are going to have a lot of water disappear into the cracks of the pavers. There will be no way that you can realistically recapture that water unless you are willing to spend MAJOR money to do it. Figure close to $13,000 american plus shipping.

I hope this helps.

Scott Stone

 

[carlos]

hi scott thanks for the posting and the content, i still have a few problems though.
basically whilst i can clean as you say in wet or dry, it will then give me unsanded areas whilst i am waiting for a dry spell, and as the stadium is in use for manic times if i leave an area of any size unsanded i run the risk of the blocks becoming unstable and the underbed deteriorating, as well as this taping off whilst work is carried out is practical but, once the cleaning is done then we are in a situation with two other problems.
first we come back to access and
second we come to the problem of dealing with the public and in this respect i believe that the uk public has the upper hand on the rest of the world , in as mush as they are just stupid.
i can almost guarentee that even if i were to tape off with barbed wire and attatch barrier signs saying unexploded or due to explode bomb in the taped area some prick would take a short cut through it,and that prick would be followed by the rest of the sheep.
that gives rise to possible problems of area becoming soiled again or health and safety issues.
finally to maintain the clean i want to seal it but to do this i of course need it to be sanded and dry ??????
why dont i just try peeing into the wind, it will be much easier just trying to stay dry


chers and heres hoping that you might come up with a miracle of two

regards carloso

 

[Scott Stone]

hi scott thanks for the posting and the content, i still have a few problems though.
basically whilst i can clean as you say in wet or dry, it will then give me unsanded areas whilst i am waiting for a dry spell, and as the stadium is in use for manic times if i leave an area of any size unsanded i run the risk of the blocks becoming unstable and the underbed deteriorating, as well as this taping off whilst work is carried out is practical but, once the cleaning is done then we are in a situation with two other problems.

Hmm, that could be a problem. I typically do not have to resand areas with block because the often set them in cement. They don't move much that way, but I also know the European methods are different than our methods. Could you put up a canopy to keep the area clean and dry and use sand that was kept dry in your truck or van to spread? Just a thought.

first we come back to access and
second we come to the problem of dealing with the public and in this respect i believe that the uk public has the upper hand on the rest of the world , in as mush as they are just stupid.

They do that here. You might have to have a really mena looking guy there to fend them off... Or a really good looking girl that is doing something that is distracting across the way...
In reality, the best solution might be to do a small portion at a time and barricade it off well, and maybe get an unemployed pub mate to stand guard over the area with a big club to keep people from wandering into the path.

i can almost guarentee that even if i were to tape off with barbed wire and attatch barrier signs saying unexploded or due to explode bomb in the taped area some prick would take a short cut through it,and that prick would be followed by the rest of the sheep.

Not to worry, about 49% of our population is congenitally stupid, as well. I alway tell my employees that there is no guarantee against stupid people. If you have someone there, it could help reduce the chance of problems

that gives rise to possible problems of area becoming soiled again or health and safety issues.

I would worry more about health and safety issues. If you are that worried about timing, you are going to need to watch the area for a couple of days, and figure out when certain areas are low traffic. And plan your schedule around the traffic patterns.

finally to maintain the clean i want to seal it but to do this i of course need it to be sanded and dry ??????

When is the dry season there? I am trying to remember from when I lived over there 25 years ago. I was actually across the channel in Dunquerque. For the life of me, I am thinking that winter was wetter, and that summer was a little more on the dry side. Would it be possible to plan for a dry spell? I can appreciate the do it now ideal, but sometimes it is just not practical.

why dont i just try peeing into the wind, it will be much easier just trying to stay dry

You could try that , but as windy as it gets, it might not be an entirely pleasant experience. Especially if there happens to be a bobby or two present

chers and heres hoping that you might come up with a miracle of two

regards carloso

Well, that about taps me for miracles, but if we continue the conversation long enough, I might come up with somethign that will be helpful. Think about it, and maybe we can get some truly helpful stuff going.

Scott Stone

 

[carlos]

hi scott

just found ideal solution

first win lottery

second tell prospective client he should have gone for pattern impress concrete in first place

third tell prospective client to stick the horrible job where it fits

fourth retire to the sun and b lloc s to the lot of them

sorry for the poor spelling but did not want to upset moderators etc