I need a 2 step teacher!

Nothing to it but care should be taken when fooling around with HF acid.

Apply acid downstream or upstream fallowed with either downstream or upstream soap,yeah you got to rinse it off which makes it 3 steps.After you learn it you'll 2 step more than you think b/c it will rock and roll the dirt away:D
 
do i rinse the acid then put the soap or put the soap on top of the acid? What kind of soap? What will the acid damage if it touches it? how long should acid dwell before soap is applied? how long should soap dwell? This should keep u busy awhile...lol...

Thanks for all your help bigboy. u know where to find me if u don't want to post that much info.
 
What,you think I isn't fastenough to answer ya post without keeping me to busy,huh.

Apply the acid,apply alkaline soap on top of the acid,No need for dwell or Let it dwell as long as you let your other stuff dwell,it'll hurt alot of stuff but not much stuff.........next
 
It want hurt nothing if you don't put it on stuff dat it will hurt.

On some glass you can use it and on some glass you cann't.

Yes,you can spray it on aluminum,don't know bout dat ect. stuff.

Yes,it will brighten the aluminum,its the reason most call it aluminum brightenr.

Yes,any soap will work,,,,,,I favor the red power kind:D

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I guess your in wonderland,sweet dreams,I didn't think powerwashers needed any sleep.

I had rather call acid "aluinum'brighter",it sounds more pro,I use a HF and PH aluminum'brighter.The HF cann't be used on polished or stainless steel unless you really know what your doing,even pro's screwup at times.The PH can be used on polished,stainless steel,about anything ect.stuff.

Cann't tell you all the glass the HF well hurt b/c I haven't tried it on all glass,it will hurt the windsheilds but not the other glass on trucks.I do 2-step houses but I try not to get any on the windows,which I have but no harm,not telling you to.

I apply the aluminum'brighter with a downstreamer,everybody else around here upstreams it.They also have to replace the coils once a year b/c it will eats its way though and usually rebuild their pumps onces a year,I never do.The cat pump is the only one that will hold up for a year if upstreaming HF..dat I know of.

As for as dwell time by the time you get it applied you can start washing where you fisrt started appling it.I wash alot of trucks and things which I 2-step most everything,I haven't picked up a brush in a long time as to brush paint,I do brush the stacks and some rims.

I have a house to wash next week which has brick,stone and vin'le siding,I will 2-step all of it.I never use bleach or ivory or dawn or other stuff,guess the aluminum'brighter kills the mi'dew b/c it doesn't come back for a year or so.

I use a double lance to work the downstreamer and I upstream the soap,my downstreamer orifice size is 2.3mm nonajustable,,,my wand tips are 2030 and 4008,yeah I wash with a 40 degree,sometimes I'll use a 1040 and 25 7.5,,

 
ron p/chuck

bigboy pretty much learned me everything i know about 2 steppin. He sometimes leaves out things that are obious to him. i.e. for the application you need a duel lance.
I also dont think most people who think of useing HF know just how dangerous this stuff is.
PLEASE do your homework on this stuff and make up your own mind on IF you want to use it.
It is the MOST WICKED ACID you can get and is outlawed in some states. It works as alum brightner because it EATS THE ALUM.
In two stepping on non matalic surfaces it works because of chemistry. Acid meets base and a chem reaction causes a tiny exsplosion and pop's the dirt off. If i had a helper or employee's i would'nt go near this type of acid.
In the states where it's outlawed they are useing muratic acid[not much safer]. The PH ACID is much much safer but cant compare to the HF as far as what it will do.
HF wont burn your skin, it goes right past the meat and attack's the bone[calicum] it can also blind you.
BE CAREFULL IS ALL IM SAYING.
Also know what your buying there are a lot of diffrent acid co. that sell it in diffrent %.
You want to use it as deluted as you can to get the job done.
 
thanks for the info guys but i think i need to see it done to have the gonads to try it myself. sounds like you could do major damage real quick with just one slight mistake. Hey bigboy come on down i'll teach u roofs and u teach me 2 stepping. got alot of good fishing holes around. Ever caught a hybrid bass?
 
We have hybrid bass but I never fish for them unless one gets one my hook by mistake.

No and yes on the major damage with HF,just a few types of metal it cann't be applied to,it can be applied to all paint.Wish I had took the camera with me today,I washed some dirty dirty dirty trucks b/c of our weather the last month or so,I never brushed any of them.Had a newbee call tonight and ask if I washed so and so truck,yeah,he said he stopped and looked it over and wished he could clean as good as I did.He also 2-steps but his aluminum brighter isn't as good as mine,I make my own.Like Ron said they make several different %,the more the % the higher the price plus I add another raw chemical to mine that his hasn't got in it.I've been 2-stepping for over 10 years,I do not like washing without it and usaully don't unless its a polished truck.It the easiest and fastest way I know of for a one man crew,the employee's can be learned on how to handle it also,they do around here anyway.

The reason I leave out stuff when answering like the double lance to work the downstreamer to apply the HF is b/c some had rather upstream the HF,I'm the only one around here that downstreams it......its easy learned,wash your own trucks until you feel ok with it,what scares you is other people saying WATCH IT...got phone call will get to you later..
 
ron p/chuck

my 2 cents downstream the HF and run soap threw the downstreamer every day. Change the QD once a month at the downstreamer if you use one there.
Also you need the ceramic ball type injector not the metal ball.
I really want to watch bigboy teach someone to 2 step over the web. I know what it was like for me. I'll step back and watch.
Chuck,you wont find a better way to wash trucks by yourself then to learn from bigboy, at least i cant.
Now he's got me again. What the heck is he adding to the mix?
When you get him on the mat he sure can roll off some chemistry that most high school teachers could'nt.
You would'nt mention it if you did'nt want me to at least try to find out what your up too. grasshopper
 
Now that was some interesting reading; I two-step also out here in Northern Calif.(not the dance)and I would like alittle more kick in my Alum Brightener or should I say alittle more effective results.
I downstream Brightener & soap but I can't seem to get the water ratio low enough so I was going to start applying all the juices thru a flowjet (65psi) pump. Am I on the right track? This question is for Ron P. or BigBoy. Thanks for your response in advance.
 
couple things

first is to find out the % of HF in your acid.
Not all alum brightner is created equal.
Second www.envirospec.com superflow injector
with the ceramic ball. $18
third get a upstream injection set-up
Soap threw the pump wont hurt it.
fourth get a duel lance ,twist handle get low pressure HF, turn the other way,get hot high pressure soap.
This is the only way for a one man cleaner to make any time.
 
Ron P. I would love to come to Jersey and video tape you 2 stepping one day for a instructional video, if you are interested you would share in the profits. Just think, all you would have to do is work a normal day and just explain what you were doing while you did it. what do you say, wouldn't happen till spring.
 
i would

have to think about that one. To tell you the truth there is not much to How to do it, but setting up your equipment.
I dont even have mine set-up the way i want it.
BIGBOY is the 2 step king. I was just lucky to find him. He has his ways of setting up equipment that most dont even know about. I/we are so hung up on buying a better gadget[spending $$$$] that we stop thinking. Also he is in a part of the country where farm supply stores are in every county.
Bigboy has ways to draw amounts of chems that no downstreamer can[i dont think he owns a downstreamer]. Once again proving it's the chems that do most of the work. He has no ONE wonder soap[unless he made it himself] No store bought acid[might start out as store bought]
Even modifies his equipment[strips the unit to bare bones-but not sure he has stripped his new one]
The most of what i know came from him directly threw the internet. I learned everything i know about truck washing from him.
Bigboy is the movie star type. He now drives a fancy sport's car and all.
To tell you the truth, i would think about doing it but i dont think i could cover the safty issuse's involved with working with acids.
The money part would come in by selling the chems used in 2 stepping.
Once i find the mix that works the best[detergent] i will privit lable it and market it.
Bigboy would never buy my soap because it would cost to much,he could get his own mixes to do a better job,some chems need to blended on the surface[or only live a short time-cant pre package them-mixes acids into the soap]
It took me a while to stop jumping from soap to soap and learn what's in each soap that dose the work. I still try new ones now and again, it's like playing the lottery.
I am going to switch from a sodium metasilicate based soap to a sodium hydroxide based soap[not for polished alum]
to do trucks right with only 1 man you need to know a lot about chems and be preparred to spend some $$$ not to brush.
BIGBOYS WAY. VERY LITTLE BRUSHING 1 GUY
SCOTT STONE BRUSH MOST EVERYTHING CREW OF GUYS
If i had a crew i would'nt 2 step untill i knew i could trust them.
sorry for the long post.
 
bigboy

downstreams but not threw an injector.
He has a diffrent kind of plumbing then most.
So, yes he downstreams.
Sorry if i was'nt clear on that.
I know how he dose it but ill let him exsplain it if he want's too.
It's just valves. He upstreams also. He also runs a CAT pump[or used to] and will upstream things i wont. HF acid for one.[i think he only dose that every great once in a while.]
 
I would love to have Big Boy on the video, hell, I would love to learn from Big Boy myself. The only problem is I don't understand a lot of what he says. I don't do fleet washing so maybe I haven't paid as much attention to the posts, I will start too now. But I also posted a message for him to e mail me so I could ask him if he was interested and I got no reply. Maybe he is very busy.
 
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if bigboy

is going to tell you something he will say it on the bbs.
His style is one that if you want to learn you have to be willing to put the effort in. He is/as well as others,sharing something that cost him time and money. The reason i post is to try and put back a little of what i took. The search button is the best thing the bbs ever did. I wish more people put the effort in before asking questions that have been addressed 8 or 9 times.
People like to show off a little so ask your questions here,that way you can find out there is more then one way to catch a catfish.
 
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