Price Breakdown

Andy Hinson

Andy Hinson

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Recently finished a concrete cleaning job for a contractor. Price was quoted by sq.ft.
He is now telling me the company paying him needs the price broken down by labor,equipment ect...
I told him it was broken down by sq. ft. He said that was not good enough.
How do I handle this?
 
Well , Just between you me and google, that is a old trick. He is looking for a way to cut your price. Been there,,, had it tried on me a few times over the years. Stand your ground and if there are issues getting paid, take your paperwork to the school. You fixed his screw up. That comes out of his pocket, not the schools.
 
Andy Hinson said:
The contractor was working for a University. U of A. His traffic left mud on sidewalks.
He hired me. Yes. I was working for him
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I'd tell it was 100% labor......If that don't float tell them 50-50. not sure why they need it other than maybe for their workers comp or w-9.
 
Ohio pressure wash said:
I'd tell it was 100% labor......If that don't float tell them 50-50. not sure why they need it other than maybe for their workers comp or w-9.
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He is a sub, has to have w/c to be on site. W/9 covers all paid monies as a lump sum. It is the receiver of the w/9 who explains where the monies went after receipt of them. Not the issuer of the w/9

edit/ Unless the o/p agreed to work under the GC's w/c policy.
 
welder said:
He is a sub, has to have w/c to be on site. W/9 covers all paid monies as a lump sum. It is the receiver of the w/9 who explains where the monies went after receipt of them. Not the issuer of the w/9

edit/ Unless the o/p agreed to work under the GC's w/c policy.
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I have had at least three companies this year ask for proof of WC as well as the labor class breakout for their WC records in case they have to cover it when they are audited. Easier to have the data then to have to call 100 contractors and get it.

Workers Comp providers are getting savvy to the owner operator "ghost" policy game....they are exposed even with a cert on file because it's a policy with nobody covered.
 
Ohio pressure wash said:
I have had at least three companies this year ask for proof of WC as well as the labor class breakout for their WC records in case they have to cover it when they are audited. Easier to have the data then to have to call 100 contractors and get it.

Workers Comp providers are getting savvy to the owner operator "ghost" policy game....they are exposed even with a cert on file because it's a policy with nobody covered.
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I don't know how many other states have, I know Ohio does, cheap, like less than 100.00 for the year. NY and NJ does NOT have them. WC is exactly that. w/c
 
welder said:
I don't know how many other states have, I know Ohio does, cheap, like less than 100.00 for the year. NY and NJ does NOT have them. WC is exactly that. w/c
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Works basically the same in NY as it does here......

http://www.wcb.state.ny.us/
Sole Proprietorships

Workers' compensation coverage is not required for a sole proprietor who
does not have employees (Employees).
A sole proprietor that has employees is automatically excluded from the
business' workers' compensation insurance coverage. The sole proprietor
may elect to have him/herself included in that coverage by filing Form
C-105.32
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with the insurance carrier. That coverage election form may
be obtained from the insurance carrier.
However, if a sole proprietor has no employees but obtains a workers'
compensation policy, the sole proprietor is automatically included in that
policy. The sole proprietor may elect to have him or herself excluded
from that coverage by filing a proper form with the insurance carrier.
That coverage election form may be obtained from the insurance carrier.
This may occur when the sole proprietor is hiring subcontractors but does
not wish to be included on the policy.
 
Ohio pressure wash said:
Works basically the same in NY as it does here......

http://www.wcb.state.ny.us/
Sole Proprietorships

Workers' compensation coverage is not required for a sole proprietor who
does not have employees (Employees).
A sole proprietor that has employees is automatically excluded from the
business' workers' compensation insurance coverage. The sole proprietor
may elect to have him/herself included in that coverage by filing Form
C-105.32
adobePDF_small.gif
with the insurance carrier. That coverage election form may
be obtained from the insurance carrier.
However, if a sole proprietor has no employees but obtains a workers'
compensation policy, the sole proprietor is automatically included in that
policy. The sole proprietor may elect to have him or herself excluded
from that coverage by filing a proper form with the insurance carrier.
That coverage election form may be obtained from the insurance carrier.
This may occur when the sole proprietor is hiring subcontractors but does
not wish to be included on the policy.
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When I was in Toledo, (hometown) I went for a w/c policy. They offered me a policy that coverd NO ONE. It was a peice of paper that said I had a policy in place. Probably 7 years ago. It was real cheap. Like I said earlier, Less than 100.00

In NY, as anyone on this boards that owns a business here knows, it doesn't matter if the dba opts out. The cost of the policy is based on xxxx.xx amount of monies paid in salary,. Whether you pay it or not. I can opt out as the pres of a corp. Even if I work alone, I have to pay (I forgot how much) well over a grand just to have a policy in place. The state sets a minimum base salary they think you will pay.

NY stinks to do business in. So does Jersey. Moving bus to PA in the new year.
 
welder said:
Even if I work alone, I have to pay (I forgot how much) well over a grand just to have a policy in place. The state sets a minimum base salary they think you will pay.

NY stinks to do business in. So does Jersey. Moving bus to PA in the new year.
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I heard there was a class action suit somewhere.....anyone that had to pay for WC insurance where there was no "actual" risk for the insurance company, would be able to recover the money.
 
I would work the numbers to make it come out.X amount of manhours,X amount of equipment hours,X amount for truck,consumables,safety equipment,etc.

It is one or two things either it's tied to WC and they want to know how many hours where worked under what category or it was a cost plus job.Which means the university agreed to get it done without a price or bid and they want to make sure the guy isnt fleecing them.

Usually on a cost plus change order they will only allow a certain mark up by the general contractor.Mostly the norm is 15 to 20 % markup.

It pretty common to have to do a breakdown on change order stuff.To those who don't know a change order is,it's what a contractor will submit to a customer for work that wasn't covered under the original bid.Sometimes it's unforeseen(like mud on a sidewalk that needs to be cleaned) or just add on things. They may use up the allotted money left over from the project.Like maybe if they have $2000.00 left in the budget they may go around and clean all the concrete around a job to keep from giving it back.
 
I had someone call from Harris Tetter grocery store chain, looking for cleaning the front side walk area and on the side, plus shopping carts. Cover 12 stores from Virginia Beach to Richmond, only wanting to pay 200.00 a location. In Virginia Beach that may not be bad but when driving up to Richmond area the gas will kill me. What do you veterans think.
 
Guy Blackmon said:
Depends, whats the sq. footage of the stores? Gum Popped? How many carts? Do you have Hot Water? What GPM do you run? Do you have more than 1 rig?

Is this a 1 time cleaning, 30 day, or Quarterly Contract?
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Lets see
Price of truck $35000
Equipment $20000
Insurance $5000
gas
fuel
ware and tear
$200 bucks?
This kills me! Were do they get off telling you what they are going to pay you?? Do we go in and tell them we are going to pay .50 cents for milk. They would laugh at you. We need to laugh at them.
 
jmpressurewashing said:
I had someone call from Harris Tetter grocery store chain, looking for cleaning the front side walk area and on the side, plus shopping carts. Cover 12 stores from Virginia Beach to Richmond, only wanting to pay 200.00 a location. In Virginia Beach that may not be bad but when driving up to Richmond area the gas will kill me. What do you veterans think.
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What kind of route is it? Are they all in close proximity as you drive. In other words, are they all pretty close to a same interstate or main high way? What is max drive time and fuel cost to get to and from the furthest loacation? I would think they the Richmond strores could all pay a little extra for fuel expense, say 25-30 bucks more.

Also, looks at the possibility of adding more business while you are in Richmon as well as other locations.

And everything Guy asked too. Look at the whole big picture, not just what they are "offering" to pay. Negotiate, I am sure that is not there final price especially if it's a residual account.
 
Tell him breaking down the price is an extra $75. also, tell him that he needs to man up and just pay the fee he agreed on with you or your going to kick his chips out. I am so sick and tired of idiots who get work done and are happy only to try and get a cut on a rate after the work is completed. Seriously, tell him to break it down whatever way he wants because by good faith you cleaned up his hiccup and he needs to hiccup some dough!
 
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