Rig Blew UP!!!!!!!!!!

~Dont over estimate how much a pair of fire extinguishers will do. If the fire was discovered in its incipient stage an extinguisher or two might be able to put it out, but it appears that the fire occured while driving down the street. By the time Jim, or whoever was driving noticed the trailer on fire, it was way to late for extinguishers and it took some quick thinking and quick action to disconnect the truck and move it.

PS. opening the doors helped feed the fire by introducing more oxygen.

Good job and I am glad no one was hurt.


I said the same thing about opening the doors, I would not have opened them if i did not have a fire extinguisher.

But it was quick thinking to remove the truck.

I hope Jim chimes in with more photo's of the trailer. He will hopefully talk about the Hazmat unit and how long he closed the entire block down?

Thats going to COST$$$$$$$
 
Key thing in all this it to have a good/great insurance policy, make sure everything has coverage and educate your guys on a worst case scenario.

These bills he is receiving are nothing to sneeze at. Sadly they will reflect industry wide when the insurance people do their industry wide audit and send out their new policies.

Sadly its no different than rolling down the highway and some clown cutting you off and you go airborne over the guardrail onto the highway below, it will set you back mentally, emotionally, physically.


Insurance is the key word. Have it.
 
He was only able to shut down 1 street? I shut down the scales at the New Mexico/Arizona border 1 time (I-40 Arizona W/B side) and almost all W/B lanes of I-40.

Long story but I was hauling a tanker trailer on a landoll (semi trailer that the axles roll and bed tilts for loading equipment, trucks, ect) I went rolling through the scales at 14'6 (legal 14' in Arizona) got pulled in for inspection. For some reason they didnt drain all the acid out of the tanker that was on the landoll. It started turning the pavement white and I was told to park the truck real fast about 500 yards down from the scale house.

Hazmat showed up, scales got shut down, my boss thought I was in the hospital and was freaking out. Believe me they went over my logbook with a fine tooth comb.

Needless to say I 15 hours later I was back on the road without a ticket or anything. I know someone got fined somewhere but it wasn't me.

Funniest part of the story is that a sarg from the AZ scales went over to chew out the guys at the New Mexico scales. They basically told him to get lost and it was Arizona's problem now. The tanker got put out of service in New Mexico in the 1st place for leaking acid.

Just thought I'd share...glad you and your guys are ok Jim, it could've been alot worse. This happened to me about 10 years ago.
 
~Dont over estimate how much a pair of fire extinguishers will do. If the fire was discovered in its incipient stage an extinguisher or two might be able to put it out, but it appears that the fire occured while driving down the street. By the time Jim, or whoever was driving noticed the trailer on fire, it was way to late for extinguishers and it took some quick thinking and quick action to disconnect the truck and move it.

PS. opening the doors helped feed the fire by introducing more oxygen.

Good job and I am glad no one was hurt.
Thanks guys!! Everyone is ok. We lost everything in this trailer, nothing salvagable. This was our rig that held all the machanics tools as well as hot machins,cold machines,roof machines vacume setup extra hose for my crews and so much equipment. Melted wrenches together. We never knew that when chlorine turns into a gas its highly flamable. Make sure all you guys have enough insurance coverage to cover all that you put in the trailer. I will be posting the after pics tomorrow. We have other rigs and will learn from our mistakes and move on at a HUGE cost!!!!
 
I said the same thing about opening the doors, I would not have opened them if i did not have a fire extinguisher.

But it was quick thinking to remove the truck.

I hope Jim chimes in with more photo's of the trailer. He will hopefully talk about the Hazmat unit and how long he closed the entire block down?

Thats going to COST$$$$$$$
The funny thing is the fire extinguiser was right were the fire started. Hazmat showed up and closed the town for 10 hrs for an evironmental cleanup!!!! Which is in excess of a $22,000 cost to our insurance company. Sad day at the office. Im trying to come up with funds right now to purchase some equipment to finish this busy season. Ok enough missery lets get back to work!!!! Sunny day tomorrow and have condos to clean!!!
 
Thanks guys!! Everyone is ok. We lost everything in this trailer, nothing salvagable. This was our rig that held all the machanics tools as well as hot machins,cold machines,roof machines vacume setup extra hose for my crews and so much equipment. Melted wrenches together. We never knew that when chlorine turns into a gas its highly flamable. Make sure all you guys have enough insurance coverage to cover all that you put in the trailer. I will be posting the after pics tomorrow. We have other rigs and will learn from our mistakes and move on at a HUGE cost!!!!

As far as I know Chlorine is a non-combustible gas but most combustible materials will burn in chlorine. Flamable gases and vapors can form explosive mixtures with chlorine. Also, it is recommended to NOT use dry chemical or carbon dioxide extinguishers on a fire involving chlorine. Water is the recommended method of extinguishment.

Do you have any more pictures? How was the point of origin determined or was it determined? Even with a V-pattern pointing to a fires origin may not be the original origin. Those V-patterns can result from fall down or what we call "drop down". The original cause could be somewhere else.
Sorry for your loss. That is definately a bad day but it could have been a lot worse, you can always replace equipment. Keep us updated, we can learn a lot from this one.
 
Let me add to part of my above response: You CAN use dry chemical, foam, Co2 extinguishers on small fires involving Sodium Chlorite solution but it is not recommended for fire involving chlorine. However, Sodium Chlorite solutions are not flamable nor is the gas it produces. It does produce toxic gas though. Chlorine gas and Sodium Chlorite solution are different.
 
Here are some new pics of the remains.
 

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Did you get a chance to see what pump the FD uses to throw their foam?
 
Thanks guys!! Everyone is ok. We lost everything in this trailer, nothing salvagable. This was our rig that held all the machanics tools as well as hot machins,cold machines,roof machines vacume setup extra hose for my crews and so much equipment. Melted wrenches together. We never knew that when chlorine turns into a gas its highly flamable. Make sure all you guys have enough insurance coverage to cover all that you put in the trailer. I will be posting the after pics tomorrow. We have other rigs and will learn from our mistakes and move on at a HUGE cost!!!!

Jim so that was the cause of the fire chlorine that turned into gas and it ignited? Do you know what ignited it? Was it driving down the road and ignited or were you stopped working and it happened? Looks like you were driving.

I use stuff like this or contractors getting hurt etc in my safety meetings, just like to know the facts

Best of luck yo you, I hope you get it replaced asap.
 
Jim so that was the cause of the fire chlorine that turned into gas and it ignited? Do you know what ignited it? Was it driving down the road and ignited or were you stopped working and it happened? Looks like you were driving.

I use stuff like this or contractors getting hurt etc in my safety meetings, just like to know the facts

Best of luck yo you, I hope you get it replaced asap.
Jeff,
What the fire men could tell was an arc near one of the batteries. Main cable maybe rubbed the coating off the cable next to the fender inside the trailer and an arc accured. When the chlorine got hot enough in the trailer, because of the fire, lit up like a storm. Being it was so hot that day most likely fumes from gas cans in trailer didnt help either. I was not at the scene. I was out of town when I recieved that call!
 
Jeff,
What the fire men could tell was an arc near one of the batteries. Main cable maybe rubbed the coating off the cable next to the fender inside the trailer and an arc accured. When the chlorine got hot enough in the trailer, because of the fire, lit up like a storm. Being it was so hot that day most likely fumes from gas cans in trailer didnt help either. I was not at the scene. I was out of town when I recieved that call!

That sounds more like the cause. From the pics it seems pretty obvious that it started on the driver side over the axles. Is that where they said it was? If gas cans are stored in the trailers the gases could have been near their flammable range and ignited but more likely a small fire occurred near the arc and once it was near the cans it lit up in a heartbeat. Sodium Hypochlorite and it's vapors are not flammable but it is an oxidizer. So whatever it comes in contact with it aids in oxygen production. That is why once it was released from it's container it would be like putting oxygen on the fire. Makes the fire burn much more intensely and at very high temperatures. We know that bleach will basically react with metals and form rust... this is an oxidation reaction. Fire goes through pyrolysis which is basically a rapid oxidation reaction, where rust is an example of slow oxidation. Make any sense?
 
Uhm, yeah, something got hot, the hot got fuel, and poof.

Just out of curiosity, were using plastic gas cans? If there is even a little bit of heat they explode.
 
Uhm, yeah, something got hot, the hot got fuel, and poof.

Just out of curiosity, were using plastic gas cans? If there is even a little bit of heat they explode.
 
Perhaps this is a good time to remember the dangers of gas cans:


Filling a portable gasoline can at a service station is something most of us do dozens of times each summer, whenever the lawn mower, chain saw or ATV runs low on gas. In fact, it happens so frequently that we don't even think about it. According to safety experts at Chevron Corporation, however, we should think about it. They warn there is a potential risk of fire due to static electricity buildup when filling a portable container -- especially if the fuel can is left in the trunk of a car or the back of a pickup.

Despite the potential for tragedy, gasoline fires caused by static electricity are rare. Only 24 fires and 5 injuries during the past few years have been reported due to improper fueling of portable cans. When you consider that millions of gasoline cans are filled at pumps every year, these figures don't make it seem like much of a problem -- unless it happens to you.

Gasoline, by its very nature, is extremely volatile. We’ve all seen the explosive fumes rising from the fuel filler on a hot day, and there is always a danger of a fire when fueling any vehicle or filling a container. That is why filling stations have signs out by the pumps that tell you not to smoke and to turn off the engine. Still, as dangerous as fill-ups can be, fires caused by static electrical build up while filling a vehicle are so rare because both the vehicles and the pumps are designed to dissipate the static electricity to the ground. Your vehicle may not appear to be grounded, but Chevron's safety engineers say the tires are good enough conductors to allow electrical discharge to escape to ground under normal conditions.

An approved gasoline container also dissipates static electricity, as long as it is placed on the pavement before filling begins. Leave the can in the trunk or pickup box, however, and it is a different story. A trunk liner, bed mat or bed liner insulates the vehicle from the ground and the static buildup of electricity has nowhere to go. Static buildup occurs and if it releases, the resulting spark can set off the gasoline.

The static comes from the gasoline itself. As the fuel flows through the hose and nozzle, static electricity builds up on the gasoline. This charge takes several seconds to dissipate after the gas is poured into the can. If the can is insulated from ground, the spark cannot dissipate and it builds up until discharge occurs.

According to Chevron, the condition most likely to lead to spark discharge is the filling of a metal container that is placed upon the plastic bedliner of a pickup. In their experiments, this situation resulted in the most fires. They are also quick to point out that while static discharge in metal containers caused the most fires, plastic containers are not immune.

To avoid static electricity fires -- and the other dangers inherent in handling highly flammable fuel -- Chevron suggests the following:

* Use only approved and properly labeled gasoline containers. The gas can should be red in color and have a Underwriter's Laboratories (UL) or the American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) stamp on them.
* Place the container on the ground before filling to allow static buildup to dissipate. Make sure the filler nozzle touches the rim of the filler opening to help static electricity dissipate.
* Fill the container only 95 percent full. Leave an air space so the fuel can expand as temperatures increase.
* Always fill the can manually; never use the trigger lock on the nozzle.
* Turn off your car's motor before fueling and extinguish any cigarettes or open flames.
* Never fill a container inside a vehicle or truck bed.
* Wipe the can clean before putting it in the vehicle (or hose it off).
* Secure the can in the vehicle so it won't slide around.
* Never leave a can in your vehicle for extended periods.
* Don’t breathe gasoline fumes. They are extremely harmful to your health.
 
And use Steel safety can, they are more expensive, but well worth it.
 
And use Steel safety can, they are more expensive, but well worth it.
We use all OSHA approved steel,expensive gas cans and my forman ripped them out of the side door before they went up in flames. I have to admit my forman did some very quick thinking that day by dropping the trailer and moving the truck pulling it. Removing the gas cans from the side door. He also evacuated all people from the businesses as soon as he could! Great guy, very fast thinker.
 
Sorry about the problems you had. Not funny, but I wonder if anyone sees the enviromentally Safe ad on the side of the truck?

Blame it on being enviromentally safe and turn the green world on its ear. Being green and Enviromentally safe causes explosions... :crazy_pilot:
 
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