Roof Cleaning Certification Begins At RCIA !

Michael DeRose said:
That post by chris looks like nothing but opinions. Also bill put up just around a couple of thousand of his own money to turn the rcia into a real association with a real cert. Ac stepped down on his own and then was harrased by the same people that so wanted him there. It was a disgrace to watch it unfold the way it did. This is how it works( if you dont conform you will be considered an outcast. Right now there is a company using the whole forum to support their future franchises). Just not really a good place to be posting right now.

Chris will probrably attack me for this but right now who gives a flyin f*&^.
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The Industry has noted all the "weird chit" going on over here (posts getting changed and deleted, etc, etc)
If the RCIA is "so bad" Mike, then why this http://saferoofandexteriorcleaning.com/ ?
This is AL Lockyer Sr, the real founder of Mallard Systems, and yes, AC's father, a Certified Member of The RCIA, and not Softwash Systems little "community".
Back before your time Son, there was a very popular TV show called "Father Knows Best".

I rest my case:)
 
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Ron Musgraves IS a vendor John, so WTF is he doing on the board (The President) of the UAMCC ?

It is my opinion John (and those of nearly everyone I talk to) that Ron Musgraves wants to use UAMCC Certifications, to suck people into his NCE Roundtablles.
They plan to offer "instant roundtable certifications" at NCE Events John. Do the Math, if NCE gets 50 people seeking UAMCC Certifications at a NCE Roundtable, that;s over 10 grand




Chris how is this different than the rcia selling premium memberships and selling certifications? You make money from this as well so why cant another certification exists?
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Perhaps some education is in order.

A nonprofit organization (US and UK),[1] or not-for-profit organization (UK and others), often called an NPO or simply a nonprofit. Also, non-commercial organization (Russia and CIS), often called an NCO, is an organization that uses economic to achieve its goals rather than distributing them as profit or dividends

Somebody didn't listen in economics class.

A "non-profit" org doesn't mean an org that never sells anything. The UAMCC could make 80 million dollars next year and there wouldn't be one single law broken by doing so.

An non-profit org simply cannot take it's profits and distribute them the way a private corporation can. They have to use the profits to further the cause of the org. Sometimes that is accomplished by buying property for meetings or studies, or hiring an ED.

Can it be so simple? Can it be that the problem with a lot of these people is that they have a fundamental failure in the ability to understand just what a non-profit org is?

Maybe having just explained it, now they will all join.....oh, as soon as Ron is dead. lol.
 
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Ron Musgraves IS a vendor John, so WTF is he doing on the board (The President) of the UAMCC ?

It is my opinion John (and those of nearly everyone I talk to) that Ron Musgraves wants to use UAMCC Certifications, to suck people into his NCE Roundtablles.
They plan to offer "instant roundtable certifications" at NCE Events John. Do the Math, if NCE gets 50 people seeking UAMCC Certifications at a NCE Roundtable, that;s over 10 grand




Chris how is this different than the rcia selling premium memberships and selling certifications? You make money from this as well so why cant another certification exists?
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Mike, let me make this very very clear. My Company, Apple Roof Cleaning, makes more in a month, sometimes in 2 weeks, then the RCIA brings in in a year!
This is more a "Labor of Love" for me, since I have been teaching roof cleaning on the Internet, longer then anyone else.
I have zero problems with alternative roof cleaning certifications, as long as they are issued by a school qualified to issue them, with no "ulterior motives" behind them.

But, when Roof Cleaning Certifications are issued as a way to induce people to attend your roundtables, or as a way to suck people into UAMCC Membership, I do have a problem with that.

Or, when Certifications are issued as a way to suck people into buying the skids, questionable chemicals, or training modules a vendor sells, I have a problem with that too.

Or, when a person selling Certification over inflates or lies about his "being the creator" of roof cleaning system that cleaned 50,000 roofs, or claims to have done "5 Million Dollars in Business his last year in business" I have a real problem with that too!
Especially when it is well known by me, that his father simply copied someone using a pump up sprayer with chlorine and soap in it, and was the one who started the business in the first place.

Business records do not Lie Mike, it is easy enough to see who started Allstate Home Improvements in Orlando Florida.

That would be "Certification by Deceit" IMHO.
 
Just so there are no misunderstandings, I think all roof cleaning or pressure cleaning certifications are BS. Who is the "expert" to certify anyone? I laughed the first time I saw one certification that required at least 50 posts! more BS testing over the phone, it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Newbies beware, save your money. Now real on the job training is priceless. I am not pointing a finger at anyone all certs. are money based. There is no recognized authority at this time in my opinion.
 
mike barrett said:
Just so there are no misunderstandings, I think all roof cleaning or pressure cleaning certifications are BS. Who is the "expert" to certify anyone? I laughed the first time I saw one certification that required at least 50 posts! more BS testing over the phone, it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Newbies beware, save your money. Now real on the job training is priceless. I am not pointing a finger at anyone all certs. are money based. There is no recognized authority at this time in my opinion.
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Good Post Mike! You are entitled to you opinion. Just so you know, the RCIA required 100 posts, not 50!
I make it no secret that I once battled addiction to drugs, many years ago. I went to several 12 step programs, AA, NA, I even wanted to go to Paranoids Anonymous Mike, but they would never tell me where they met!
Seriously, newcomers to 12 step meetings are taught to go to 90 meetings in 90 days, in the hopes some of the recovery spoken there will rub off on the newcomers.
We NEVER based our Certs entirely on having 100 posts, though our forum did assign certified titles to people I never tested. However, that was soon corrected!

Who is an "expert on roof cleaning" ? Well, in all humility, I think I qualify for that. I have been teaching roof cleaning, both in person, and on the internet, long BEFORE there was a PWI or a Grime Scene!

I am the roof cleaning teacher from the old Delco Board Mike.

Much of what is now the accepted wisdom and almost all of the real advancements in roof cleaning came from me.

No one can "BS Me" through a verbal roof cleaning certification test, but I would prefer to hands on test someone, of course.

Plenty of folks get college degrees w/o ever attending college in person. I feel confident that every guy I have personally tested, and awarded RCIA Certification to, knows what they are doing.

The RCIA is not a new roof cleaning school Mike, here I am, way back when, asking questions to be a better teacher. http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jul99/932670591.Bt.q.html
 
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Apple Roof Cleaning said:
Good Post Mike! You are entitled to you opinion. Just so you know, the RCIA required 100 posts, not 50! I never said RCIA
I make it no secret that I once battled addiction to drugs, many years ago. I went to several 12 step programs, AA, NA, I even wanted to go to Paranoids Anonymous Mike, but they would never tell me where they met!
Seriously, newcomers to 12 step meetings are taught to go to 90 meetings in 90 days, in the hopes some of the recovery spoken there will rub off on the newcomers.
We NEVER based our Certs entirely on having 100 posts, though our forum did assign certified titles to people I never tested. However, that was soon corrected!

Who is an "expert on roof cleaning" ? Well, in all humility, I think I qualify for that. I have been teaching roof cleaning, both in person, and on the internet, long BEFORE there was a PWI or a Grime Scene!

I am the roof cleaning teacher from the old Delco Board Mike. I was on the deco board from 1997 until it went away, the first board I found.I don't remember you "teaching" on delco as much as I remember you bragging and saying you had a secret additive. I was taught roof cleaning by a roof cleaner named Clark in Jacksonville FL who has never been on the boards. He taught me to use sodium hypocloride, water and dawn dishwashing soap. He also showed me how to make and use a pvc wand. There are many people who figured out how to clean roofs.

Much of what is now the accepted wisdom and almost all of the real advancements in roof cleaning came from me. I respectfully disagree.

No one can "BS Me" through a verbal roof cleaning certification test, but I would prefer to hands on test someone, of course.

Plenty of folks get college degrees w/o ever attending college in person. I feel confident that every guy I have personally tested, and awarded RCIA Certification to, knows what they are doing.

The RCIA is not a new roof cleaning school Mike, here I am, way back when, asking questions to be a better teacher. http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jul99/932670591.Bt.q.html
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I never said Rcia was new, but I will say it has only been around for 5-6 years.
 
mike barrett said:
I never said Rcia was new, but I will say it has only been around for 5-6 years.
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The RCIA is me, it is not an "ORG", it is my online (and in person), Roof Cleaning School.
I am a Certified Weldorm in a past life, and I attended the Lincoln School of Arc Welding. I lived in Detroit back then, but went all the way out to Lincoln, Nebraska, because the Lincoln School of Welding was the best school in the USA, at that time. I was able to get Certified by them, and then I got a 25 dollar an hour Union Job (UAW) back home at the Chrysler Tank Plant, in Centerline Michigan, right out of school!
This was way back in 1976

I planned to go out to San Francisco, to attend the Coastal School of Underwater Welding, and make 100,000.00 + a year, welding underwater on oil platforms, in the North Sea.

The point I make is this. Both schools were the best of their kind in the USA back then, and neither school was connected to any Union, or ORG!

Like the RCIA is, they were private schools.

I do not know anyone in our Industry better qualified to teach and certify roof cleaners then myself, do you ?

It is certainly your right to question the need or the benefits of Roof Cleaning Certification. But make no mistake, our roof cleaning contractors with RCIA Certification are doing very very well for themselves.

RCIA Roof Cleaning Certification was never intended, or designed, to have the wide spread acceptance, or the blessings of every person, on every cleaning forum.

Quite frankly, I could give a flying you know what what people on other forums think about it.

With all due respect, you people do not hire, nor do you pay the bills, of my Certified Roof Cleaners.

All that really matters, is IF the customers are accepting of it, or not.

And, they are, here is the PROOF!

Not only did the Real Founder of Mallard Systems, AL Lockyer Sr, think it was important www.saferoofandexteriorcleaning.com think it was important Mike, but here is a screen shot showing that customers here in Tampa are searching for the Roof Cleaning Institute, By Name!

So Mike, if Roof Cleaning Certification was "a waste of time and money, as you claim" Then WTF are customers doing, searching for the Roof Cleaning Institute by name ?

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OOPS, I posted the wrong screen shot, but I will leave it up, to show the SEO Power and ability of the RCIA Forum to dominate local search results, for this RCIA Member.

I edited this, to add the correct screen shot ( I have so many lately, because I am preparing for War, and plan to show the blatant deleting of Posts)

Here is the correct one, showing people are searching for the Roof Cleaning Institute, by name@!
 

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Apple Roof Cleaning said:
The RCIA is me, it is not an "ORG", it is my online (and in person), Roof Cleaning School.never said rcia was an org.
I am a Certified Weldorm in a past life, and I attended the Lincoln School of Arc Welding. I lived in Detroit back then, but went all the way out to Lincoln, Nebraska, because the Lincoln School of Welding was the best school in the USA, at that time. I was able to get Certified by them, and then I got a 25 dollar an hour Union Job (UAW) back home at the Chrysler Tank Plant, in Centerline Michigan, right out of school!
This was way back in 1976

I planned to go out to San Francisco, to attend the Coastal School of Underwater Welding, and make 100,000.00 + a year, welding underwater on oil platforms, in the North Sea.

The point I make is this. Both schools were the best of their kind in the USA back then, and neither school was connected to any Union, or ORG!

Like the RCIA is, they were private schools.

I do not know anyone in our Industry better qualified to teach and certify roof cleaners then myself, do you ?

It is certainly your right to question the need or the benefits of Roof Cleaning Certification. But make no mistake, our roof cleaning contractors with RCIA Certification are doing very very well for themselves.Many roof cleaners are doing well with out any cert.

RCIA Roof Cleaning Certification was never intended, or designed, to have the wide spread acceptance, or the blessings of every person, on every cleaning forum.

Quite frankly, I could give a flying you know what what people on other forums think about it.

With all due respect, you people do not hire, nor do you pay the bills, of my Certified Roof Cleaners.Hire, pay the bills what are you talking about?

All that really matters, is IF the customers are accepting of it, or not.

And, they are, here is the PROOF!I know you think Al is the prize, but I think your using him to get back at AC. Read all your negative posts about AC.

Not only did the Real Founder of Mallard Systems, AL Lockyer Sr, think it was important www.saferoofandexteriorcleaning.com think it was important Mike, but here is a screen shot showing that customers here in Tampa are searching for the Roof Cleaning Institute, By Name!Nope this was a search for roof+cleaning+tampa

So Mike, if Roof Cleaning Certification was "a waste of time and money, as you claim" Then WTF are customers doing, searching for the Roof Cleaning Institute by name ?In the proof you have offered, the search with google was for roof+cleaning+tampa. not rcia

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OOPS, I posted the wrong screen shot, but I will leave it up, to show the SEO Power and ability of the RCIA Forum to dominate local search results, for this RCIA Member.

I edited this, to add the correct screen shot ( I have so many lately, because I am preparing for War, and plan to show the blatant deleting of Posts)War? I think you have a history on the boards of being at "war"

Here is the correct one, showing people are searching for the Roof Cleaning Institute, by name@!
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It's 6:00 in the AM I am leaving for the day with my son to volunteer with Habitat for Humanity. Have fun!
 
WOW Chris Tucker is off the deep end. Thanks for bringing to my attention Mike. I was forced off the board. WOW I resigned for the good of the organization. Chris Tucker begged me to stay. I save everything and have all the correspondence and e-mails as well as this little gem. When are we all going to do something about people who drag down the industry and exploit its members?

AC
 

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WOW Chris Tucker is off the deep end. Thanks for bringing to my attention Mike. I was forced off the board. WOW I resigned for the good of the organization. Chris Tucker begged me to stay. I save everything and have all the correspondence and e-mails as well as this little gem. When are we all going to do something about people who drag down the industry and exploit its members?

AC
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Apple Roof Cleaning said:
Business records do not Lie Mike, it is easy enough to see who started Allstate Home Improvements in Orlando Florida.

That would be "Certification by Deceit" IMHO.
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It was Allstate Home Appearance Services. It was a sole proprietorship. The Address was 11 Michelle Dr. Casselberry, Florida 32707. I started it with the purchase of a $15.00 county business license (Seminole County) in the fall of 1991 and a fictitious name permit for the same name. (State of Florida). It operated my cleaning company as that for less than a year then once I had everything dialed in I changed the name to Mallard Roof Cleaning Systems in the spring of 1992.

In 1994 my father came into the company to help me out. I was in over my head at 25 years old. We did AWESOME together and opened three branches and at our height (2000 - 2001) did nearly $5,000,000 a year in roof & exterior softwashing. I was the creative force and he was the business force.

AC
 
Actually all of this last drama started because I was having people find this RCIA Certification Thread over here at PWI and they would call me about the RCIA. I posted here that I was not part of the RCIA then CT went APE. I currently have 2.4 gigs of e-mails, .pdf of posts, threads and PMs .jpgs, screen shots, audio recordings of the BOD meetings and Talk Shoe episodes etc. etc. of all of the CT & RCIA drama and lies. This week I will be handing all of this information over to the local authorities best suited to deal with this situation.

I asked CT in an e-mail to please leave me alone and not speak of me. I also sent him that as a PM on FB as well. Later I blocked him from my FB.

Please anyone who is being stocked, attacked or bullied by someone online save everything and call your local authorities and file a police report so this kind of abuse can be tracked and documented. You dont have to be a victim.

AC
 
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