That wcr store is a joke...

texmexcoo said:
Ron to be honest with you Chris is to chicken shit to post here IMO!!
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It says more they can, they do not because they burn bridges like this. Your a Possible customer who now will never buy from them. Do they care more about you or the guy who you offered to help, the answer is neither. Who ever opens there wallet up wins.
 
More misdirection when truth is shown again like before and before that.

Is this a mini-Kris or something?

Do I hear the band warming up?

It is a shame what the people over there do and then when they are exposed, they have to do some kind of damage control so more misdirection.

Let's try to go back on the original subject of a person getting banned and harassed for suggesting to order from out of this country to save some money and get the part they need without paying a huge markup and trying to help others save money also.

I am sure that those wanting to misdirect will get their panties in a bunch and keep trying to talk about other stuff but let's try hard to stay on subject.

Let's try to stay positive in light of the nonsense and misdirection, someone ordered out of the country and saved some money and is trying to help other people do the same to help them save some money.
 
Ron, no need to point the link to my website. Not asking for that and I don't authorize it.
I'm sorry I brought that up. It just seemed weird that the link title wasn't the link content. Whatever.

For everyone else I call it as I see it. If you feel I am lost or blind, so be it. To be honest there are only a very few people here that I'd even care to have approval from. I'm not swayed by emotional or pseudo-intellectual threats.
 
danwagner said:
Ron, no need to point the link to my website. Not asking for that and I don't authorize it.
I'm sorry I brought that up. It just seemed weird that the link title wasn't the link content. Whatever.

For everyone else I call it as I see it. If you feel I am lost or blind, so be it. To be honest there are only a very few people here that I'd even care to have approval from. I'm not swayed by emotional or pseudo-intellectual threats.
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Dan we understand why and how. It's pretty obvious to the reader.

You seem to think we are swaying you!! Lol

No Dan I careless that's what your not getting. I sell nothing and don't really care who or why you post. It's your right here like we have been pointing out. Opps

Enjoy yourself Dan, have a great Sunday



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Christopher said:
More misdirection when truth is shown again like before and before that.

Is this a mini-Kris or something?

Do I hear the band warming up?

It is a shame what the people over there do and then when they are exposed, they have to do some kind of damage control so more misdirection.

Let's try to go back on the original subject of a person getting banned and harassed for suggesting to order from out of this country to save some money and get the part they need without paying a huge markup and trying to help others save money also.

I am sure that those wanting to misdirect will get their panties in a bunch and keep trying to talk about other stuff but let's try hard to stay on subject.

Let's try to stay positive in light of the nonsense and misdirection, someone ordered out of the country and saved some money and is trying to help other people do the same to help them save some money.
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Agreed Chris please don't refer to others. Some have repaired there relations with folks. Don't need others from one persons thoughts dreaming up and entire association agrees.

This is often the problem because we all have private opinions people are grouped as those guys.

I'm me, what Tony, Scott or Doug says is there thoughts. Here's the difference here in a nut shell we are don't agree always. But because we have more self awareness to understand we could be wrong we listen and better ourselves and the community.


Oh and Scott will chime in and say he's never wrong.

Doug will act surprised

Tony will likely say the above statement is spot on.

These are called personalities and freedom to express them are what makes the world go round. When you reduce this creative art form things become dull and boring.

One sided debating and interaction only works so long.


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dave mac said:
Seems to me everybody is guilty of name calling, gossiping, to see it any other way you are not being truthfull with yourself.

Im guilty of it, just as every human being I have ever met in my life is guilty of it, the question is who can rise above it.
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Jesus called a hypocrite when he saw it. We have covered this territory before. Maybe whatever Savior you follow refrained from calling it like it is. I hear Buddha was big on peace at all costs.

There are plenty of spiritual leaders to follow who operated differently from Jesus and the Apostles.

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dave mac said:
Seems to me everybody is guilty of name calling, gossiping, to see it any other way you are not being truthfull with yourself.

Im guilty of it, just as every human being I have ever met in my life is guilty of it, the question is who can rise above it.
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I have seen it a dozen times here a distributor speaks before he thinks. Then it gets posted , normally and apology to the person gets results.

I know if I had a knee jerk reaction I would certainly do the right thing and attempt to fix.

We had a guy that Really didn't like me a few years back get ripped off by a distributor, he posted here and within a few day was refunded the money for the product that was never delivered.

In another Situation a guy took pre-orders and never Delivered. If this BBS had not been here no one would have known how much he took or getting together to file a complaint with AG office to also eventually seek prosecution.

You can look at post Negative or find the positive in them, the people who think only bad can come from them need to look deeper. They change people often by the power of the pen.

I believe I said above no one is perfect
 
This is why I always respected guys like Jeff Lecours. Jeff is not a believer and we certainly butt heads on politics, he always used sense and never got stuck on a side in this industry that was wrong when logic and common sense proved it.



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Maybe whatever Savior you follow refrained from calling it like it is. I hear Buddha was big on peace at all costs.


Tony when you say things like this,it is exactly what im talking about, thanks for making it easy to prove my point, accusations you throw around really are nothing but name calling. I would advice you to turn around that magnifie glass you hold everyone accountable to, and take a deep look at yourself.
 
dave mac said:
Maybe whatever Savior you follow refrained from calling it like it is. I hear Buddha was big on peace at all costs.


Tony when you say things like this,it is exactly what im talking about, thanks for making it easy to prove my point, accusations you throw around really are nothing but name calling. I would advice you to turn around that magnifie glass you hold everyone accountable to, and take a deep look at yourself.
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No one needs a magnifying glass to figure me out, especially me.

Name calling is what one does when they are backed in a corner and has no other defense. Calling a spade a spade is what one does when the spade refuses to hear logic and respond to it objectively.

Which is what has happened here.



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Tony

The only reason I even respondid to this thread is because I like you, you are a man that spends countless hours helping the industry and helping contractors. You have helped people understand the EPA and bring in tools to help contractors go by the laws of the epa that are affordable, I know you are for the contractors. This is truly great stuff and you deserve respect for that.

I just dont like seeing a man of your caliber engaged in such little triva bs like this particular thread is all about IMO, to me it is beneith you, that is what im saying.

I guess some people take this internet more serious then other people. Anyways thanks for your hardwork, and have a great sunday
 
dave mac said:
Tony

The only reason I even respondid to this thread is because I like you, you are a man that spends countless hours helping the industry and helping contractors. You have helped people understand the EPA and bring in tools to help contractors go by the laws of the epa that are affordable, I know you are for the contractors. This is truly great stuff and you deserve respect for that.

I just dont like seeing a man of your caliber engaged in such little triva bs like this particular thread is all about IMO, to me it is beneith you, that is what im saying.

I guess some people take this internet more serious then other people. Anyways thanks for your hardwork, and have a great sunday
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We do appreciate Tony for all the great work the Enviro Team has done.
 
dave mac said:
Tony

The only reason I even respondid to this thread is because I like you, you are a man that spends countless hours helping the industry and helping contractors. You have helped people understand the EPA and bring in tools to help contractors go by the laws of the epa that are affordable, I know you are for the contractors. This is truly great stuff and you deserve respect for that.

I just dont like seeing a man of your caliber engaged in such little triva bs like this particular thread is all about IMO, to me it is beneith you, that is what im saying.

I guess some people take this internet more serious then other people. Anyways thanks for your hardwork, and have a great sunday
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I don't need any credit here. Anything I have done has been a direct result of the motivation and example of leadership Ron has shown me over the years. Without his motivation nothing would have been accomplished.

Dave, when I found PWI in 2008 there was a lot of fluff and fakery that kept the industry stagnated and controlled by a few behind the scenes.

Common sense and true discussion of issues was overshadowed by a false facade of everybody getting along.

That worked just fine as long as the ones who wanted to keep control were getting their way.

I could go on and on about how these cowards control guys like Dan by spewing hate behind the scenes on the phone while lecturing everyone to be civil on the boards. This is how they control those who equate fake peace with what they believe the Gospels teach.

This is how evil has squashed good for centuries.

Despite mistakes Ron makes he has proven himself to be a selfless, tireless leader unlike these wannabe copycat peons who hate him because they have no understanding of selfless giving.

Follow the money. If it comes back to you through education or otherwise, embrace it. If it leads to somebody's pocketbook, beware.




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Tony Shelton said:
I don't need any credit here. Anything I have done has been a direct result of the motivation and example of leadership Ron has shown me over the years. Without his motivation nothing would have been accomplished.

Dave, when I found PWI in 2008 there was a lot of fluff and fakery that kept the industry stagnated and controlled by a few behind the scenes.

Common sense and true discussion of issues was overshadowed by a false facade of everybody getting along.

That worked just fine as long as the ones who wanted to keep control were getting their way.

I could go on and on about how these cowards control guys like Dan by spewing hate behind the scenes on the phone while lecturing everyone to be civil on the boards. This is how they control those who equate fake peace with what they believe the Gospels teach.

This is how evil has squashed good for centuries.

Despite mistakes Ron makes he has proven himself to be a selfless, tireless leader unlike these wannabe copycat peons who hate him because they have no understanding of selfless giving.

Follow the money. If it comes back to you through education or otherwise, embrace it. If it leads to somebody's pocketbook, beware.




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Tony, you never disappoint me. I knew you'd eventually meld the happenings in the industry (the world), this forum (God's true worshipers), Ron (the Messiah), Chris and Thad (Satan and his top guy), and WCR(A) (the unbelievers) with the gospel as if this is fulfilling some prophecy.
I say this as somewhat tongue in cheek, but do you have to aggrandize things so much?
 
danwagner said:
Tony, you never disappoint me. I knew you'd eventually meld the happenings in the industry (the world), this forum (God's true worshipers), Ron (the Messiah), Chris and Thad (Satan and his top guy), and WCR(A) (the unbelievers) with the gospel as if this is fulfilling some prophecy.
I say this as somewhat tongue in cheek, but do you have to aggrandize things so much?
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I am glad you recognize that I am consistent.

If one can't take things to their logical conclusion and break them down into right and wrong how would anybody make educated decisions?

Cheating business partners is wrong. A pwna board member made an agreement with me and broke it. Failing to pay me an agreed percentage. Is that wrong or am I aggrandizing?

Two Pwna bod sent Hilborn to spy on Ron and call all his local competitors. Those two sat silently in cowardice and let Hilborn resign in disgrace. Is that wrong or am I aggrandizing?

Chris called Ron and threatened to kill him over a Facebook post. Is that wrong or am I aggrandizing?

Hinderliter and Gamble lied to us about shopping BMPs then lied about my son polluting to the authorities. When informed about it through legal means 6 months ago the PWNA failed to act. Is this wrong or am I aggrandizing?

Chris publicly and falsely accused Ron of being a cocaine addict. Is this wrong or an I aggrandizing?

See, right and wrong is pretty easy to determine when you place the pattern of God's word over it to reveal true intentions.

It is wrong to lie.
It is wrong to cheat.
It is wrong to steal.
it is wrong to threaten physical violence.
God's word even say cowardice is wrong.

Whenever you learn to do the same thing and place that pattern over specific actions Ron has done then you might have a leg to stand on.

Until then you are like a buzzing fly indiscriminately crapping on Ron and Pwi with nothing to back up your defense of wcr or your attack on pwi but innuendo.

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danwagner said:
Tony, you never disappoint me. I knew you'd eventually meld the happenings in the industry (the world), this forum (God's true worshipers), Ron (the Messiah), Chris and Thad (Satan and his top guy), and WCR(A) (the unbelievers) with the gospel as if this is fulfilling some prophecy.
I say this as somewhat tongue in cheek, but do you have to aggrandize things so much?
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Here's how we are Different, they are just people to me. Not WCR or PWI, these are just members of our industry and Colleagues. To me there's no them or us, just members of our industry in need of help.

I think Doug and I are of the same thinking on this, we seemed to help all no matter how they acted in the past or how they act in the future. If they can improve there lives its a win.

We are here to view the positive of all things even when they seem negative.

In a perfect world all would apologize to each other and move forward. This will likely never Happen, oh well
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Here's how we are Different, they are just people to me. Not WCR or PWI, these are just members of our industry and Colleagues. To me there's no them or us, just members of our industry in need of help.

I think Doug and I are of the same thinking on this, we seemed to help all no matter how they acted in the past or how they act in the future. If they can improve there lives its a win.

We are here to view the positive of all things even when they seem negative.

In a perfect world all would apologize to each other and move forward. This will likely never Happen, oh well
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This is where Ron and I fight like cats and dogs.

I say screw em. I've gone through thousands of pages of posts and have failed to see any of the serial offenders ever apologize. They won't because they know someone like me will throw it up in their face when they get caught doing it over and over again.

Back to religion... Jesus never forgave anyone who didn't admit wrong and ask for it. EVER.

I don't need Ron to tell me how to judge actions of people and I don't subscribe to his philosophy of forgiving just because a lot of time has past OR helping the guilty continue on doing what they are doing. I have a much higher example of how to deal with them from my Savior.

He told his disciples to warn them, give them a chance to repent, then abandon them and shake the dust off their feet and no longer associate with them.

It is real simple, if you lie, cheat, steal, threaten harm or physically harm someone and you are too cocky to apologize and stop that crap you aren't worth two seconds of time to waste your breath on.

But, as a Christian I have a duty to let others who don't know the level of deceit they are walking in to by associating with these people. To not do so would make me an accomplice.

Do you have any idea how many new guys call me and say "I have heard a lot of bad stuff about this Ron guy, with that much stuff floating around some of it has to be true"?

Well, the fact is, virtually none of it is true because it is being told by born, unrepentant serial liars with a father behind them who is the father of all lies cheering them on.

They take in guys who don't know any better and fill their minds with lies and garbage behind the scenes in a cunning manner their father would be proud of. Then use those same guys to back up their stories to the next guy who comes along

Frankly I am ashamed to be associated with some of you guys who calk yourselves Christians and allow this type of character assassination without any evidence. You are cowards and I pray you discover the call you have been entrusted with to fight against lies and start doing the right thing.

All you have to do is ask them to put specifics out in public. When they won't, publicly repeat something they told you in private you can rest assured they are a lying scumbag.

Pretty easy test.

Try it or continue to be an accomplice.

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You are absolutely right Tony!

In the past I have had guys that used to post here regularly call me up to spread lies about Ron but when asked for some proof they could not show any but just said more rumors and other lies to try to pass them off as truth but in fact were just more lies. They sure want to spread what they call "truth" but don't have any proof of the lies they are spreading.

It really gets old when the same guys are spreading lies about Ron were constantly bashing him over on tgs earlier this year, bashing Doug and others including myself because we don't blindly follow the lies, we want to see proof if you are accusing someone of something but no proof is ever shown, just more excuses and lies on top of lies.

Even some of the new guys they manipulated and spread lies to started to blindly believe the lies and it got them no where and just made more enemies instead of being here to learn and make friends and work on their businesses.

It is nice that we got rid of some of the troublemakers and there has not been hardly any drama without them here, it really is nice to be without that nonsense!

It is great that people are back to learning, making friends and working on their businesses.
 
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