I've been looking at the Steal Eagle Fury 2400. Could anyone tell me if the 16hp model could handle 150 ft. of vac hose and 40ft. of vacuboom or even better two 150 ft. vac hoses and two 20 ft. booms? Does it require an outside power source for the pump out? Can anyone tell me if the pump out is affected when the blower is on? How reliable are the blower motors? Thanks, also any help on where a good price is? I've seen only two online stores and the price is about 2 thousand difference. Joe
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810f250
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To find out more about Steel eagle recommendations on distance from unit, gpm recovery, they will set you in the best direction. Called on a couple occasions they are very helpful.
From my experience with blowers in the plant industry, they last a long time, with proper maintenance (the ones I worked on was not even the extreme high end units (but still reliable), they were grease one end and splash lube other end ,bi-lobe, air cooled). Thats what the three listed in the thread below use to.
http://www.propowerwash.com/board/upload/showthread.php?t=14006
what websites did you fine pricing for the steel eagles?
From my experience with blowers in the plant industry, they last a long time, with proper maintenance (the ones I worked on was not even the extreme high end units (but still reliable), they were grease one end and splash lube other end ,bi-lobe, air cooled). Thats what the three listed in the thread below use to.
http://www.propowerwash.com/board/upload/showthread.php?t=14006
what websites did you fine pricing for the steel eagles?
Scott Stone
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I have a steel eagle, but mine is the 24 hp Honda powered version. I can run up to 500 feet of vauum hose, with two of the surface cleaners withouth a problem. The pumpout is atached to the drive motor, so that if the blower isrunning, so is the pump, it is a centrifugul pump, and so can run dry when necessary. Slick, but expensive system.
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http://www.cmcpwe.com/recoverysystem.html
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http://sunbrite.stores.yahoo.net/steafu24vasy.htmlNot sure if the cmc guys are up to date on that price, its quite a bit difference. I'll call first.
Thanks!
Scott Stone
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that being said, I think the next time I do a recovery system that I will use a nikro vacuum instead of the steel eagle unit. it is a lot less exoensive, and would meet my needs.
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MMI Enterprises
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Scott, What is the difference between a centrifugal blower and a centrifugal water pump being able to be run dry or not? I know I am not to run my huge dregde pump dry as it'll ruin the seal and bronze bushing.. I've really got to get more into learnin about these gas powered blower vacs. They are like totally different then a electirc staged lamb motor right and mainly allow for the long distance runs?
ps- Oh I must not get this stuff at all!.. the hydrotek seems to be using a regular old staged lamb motor for the vac and then the blower you guys talking about is a water pump for discharge:
2-stage, 110” sealed lift vacuum motor, 102 cfm
50 gpm centrifugal pump
Honestly I don't get all the rage or expense when good lamb motor is like $200 and a sump pump even less.
These recovery units vacs are like the power of a glorified portable steam cleaner or wet vac.
Truck mount van setups though use the vehicle itself. What type of motor/pump/blower are those and where to get em?
ps- Oh I must not get this stuff at all!.. the hydrotek seems to be using a regular old staged lamb motor for the vac and then the blower you guys talking about is a water pump for discharge:
2-stage, 110” sealed lift vacuum motor, 102 cfm
50 gpm centrifugal pump
Honestly I don't get all the rage or expense when good lamb motor is like $200 and a sump pump even less.
These recovery units vacs are like the power of a glorified portable steam cleaner or wet vac.
Truck mount van setups though use the vehicle itself. What type of motor/pump/blower are those and where to get em?
Scott Stone
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I do not know anything about the Hydrotek unit. The parts look like they will perform as designed, but I have never seen it in operation. I need to look closer at one.
The Steel Eagle uses a Roots type blower to create the vacuum. It is just a smaller version of the old hot rod type blower that is mounted on top of the engine between the carb and manifold. The pump is a centrifugul type pump that is mechanically driven. So it has its own belt going to the Honda motor, as does the blower. A centrifugul pump takes the air, or liquid in the center, and has a vaned impeller, to spin it out. Siimilar to how a Turbo works. It is designed to be able to run dry, though I am pretty sure that it will not run dry indefinitely.
I like the Nikro vacuums, which is basically a super heavy duty shop vac on a drum head, because it does have a 100% duty cycle. It is also a lot less expensive than the Steel Eagle unit. There is also the added advantage of being able to purchase multiple units to use in staged areas for pick up and pump out.
The Steel Eagle uses a Roots type blower to create the vacuum. It is just a smaller version of the old hot rod type blower that is mounted on top of the engine between the carb and manifold. The pump is a centrifugul type pump that is mechanically driven. So it has its own belt going to the Honda motor, as does the blower. A centrifugul pump takes the air, or liquid in the center, and has a vaned impeller, to spin it out. Siimilar to how a Turbo works. It is designed to be able to run dry, though I am pretty sure that it will not run dry indefinitely.
I like the Nikro vacuums, which is basically a super heavy duty shop vac on a drum head, because it does have a 100% duty cycle. It is also a lot less expensive than the Steel Eagle unit. There is also the added advantage of being able to purchase multiple units to use in staged areas for pick up and pump out.
MMI Enterprises
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Ah so to be clear, what your calling a blower is centrifugal and can run direct water or also makes for a good air vac? Like it just like half a turbo then?. Turbo on my Porsche though has cooling oil going to the bearing but maybe that is just mainly cause the heat of the exhaust turning the one side.
My dredge centrifugal has to be water primed. I don't know that any of those type can create an air vac or not.
My dredge centrifugal has to be water primed. I don't know that any of those type can create an air vac or not.
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I like the hydrotek, because of the cone bottom design. But I would want the vac to be over 200 cfm like delco VSF-55. http://pressurewash.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=30&products_id=457
Kevin, the gas powered blowers are truly heavy duty units,major vacuum, if you ever heard one without a silencer, its a screamer.
As Scott said, you could set up multiple electrical units in various locations to control wash water. That is an idea I like also, but was thinking of using smaller gas driven blowers with a generator off the same motor to drive the pump out.
Kevin, the gas powered blowers are truly heavy duty units,major vacuum, if you ever heard one without a silencer, its a screamer.
As Scott said, you could set up multiple electrical units in various locations to control wash water. That is an idea I like also, but was thinking of using smaller gas driven blowers with a generator off the same motor to drive the pump out.
I would rather stay away from anything electrical. Its a pain having to move generators around and have all that wire running everywhere in the water. Thats one reason I've wanted something more industrial like the steal eagle. If it would run two or three 150 ft. vac hoses you could have a few different pickups and a lot less hassle.
MMI Enterprises
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I suppose it a matter of choice whether you want to buy, maintain, and store bulkier vac hose for system based around pulling water with lots of power versus pushing water through standard hoses ya already have.
Christopher
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Scott, I have the Nikro dual head system and it is not too bad. The replacement lamb motors are $145.00 each when they go bad.
The electrical cords on the motors are around 20' to 25' each and you need to rig up a pump-out system so another electrical cord.
You can run them all from a 5000 watt generator or if you can find 3 outlets that are on separate breakers, that will work too.
I have had this for almost a year now but have not used it that much.
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The electrical cords on the motors are around 20' to 25' each and you need to rig up a pump-out system so another electrical cord.
You can run them all from a 5000 watt generator or if you can find 3 outlets that are on separate breakers, that will work too.
I have had this for almost a year now but have not used it that much.
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tomtucson
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Chris, do you think it would work to put everything together on a cart - generator, nikro, hose etc?
Windtrax is a carwash supplier that has a lot of good stuff/prices. I was talking with the owner I think and he has vacuum motors made to his specs that are about $50 I think, around 110 cfm and 100" lift, they are brush motors though.
Windtrax is a carwash supplier that has a lot of good stuff/prices. I was talking with the owner I think and he has vacuum motors made to his specs that are about $50 I think, around 110 cfm and 100" lift, they are brush motors though.
Christopher
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The person to talk to would be Alan in California, he is very knowledgeable with all this stuff and told me how to setup my Nikro.
The Nikro can be purchased with the accessory kit which includes the drum dolly with castors so you can wheel it around easily, even when full of water.
With some thick extension cords like 12 or 10 gauge wire, you can work a large area before having to move the Nikro, just depends on how much vacuum hose you are using. I used 50' and had no problem except where the concrete was not too level but I just let go of the trigger and vacuumed up the water as I went.
You can put the Nikro on a cart like the kind at the hardware stores if you wanted to, it would be easier to move it all around like when setting up or when finishing.
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The Nikro can be purchased with the accessory kit which includes the drum dolly with castors so you can wheel it around easily, even when full of water.
With some thick extension cords like 12 or 10 gauge wire, you can work a large area before having to move the Nikro, just depends on how much vacuum hose you are using. I used 50' and had no problem except where the concrete was not too level but I just let go of the trigger and vacuumed up the water as I went.
You can put the Nikro on a cart like the kind at the hardware stores if you wanted to, it would be easier to move it all around like when setting up or when finishing.
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Great point Kevin. But the industrial blowers are the only vacuum systems that could give you a working distance equivalent to you pressure hose lengths (200 plus feet) if you prefer to recover on the fly with a vacuum surface cleaner.
revolve77
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I have owned the hydrotech vac as well as the fury 24hp.
To be quite honest nothing really compares to a gas powered vac. The hydrotech was not that bad however it lacked the power necessary to reclaim our water and on top of it it was a pain hooking it up to a power supply. It can only handle a small amount of debris so that means more down time for you to have to stop go back and empty the filter.
The fury debris tank is big and it can tackle just about any job. Its reliable and has brute force. Just be sure to spray the intake inlet with wd40 with the vac running once you have completed your job.
You can also look at a sirocco gas vac, I hear they do just as good of a job as a fury and they dont cost as much.
To be quite honest nothing really compares to a gas powered vac. The hydrotech was not that bad however it lacked the power necessary to reclaim our water and on top of it it was a pain hooking it up to a power supply. It can only handle a small amount of debris so that means more down time for you to have to stop go back and empty the filter.
The fury debris tank is big and it can tackle just about any job. Its reliable and has brute force. Just be sure to spray the intake inlet with wd40 with the vac running once you have completed your job.
You can also look at a sirocco gas vac, I hear they do just as good of a job as a fury and they dont cost as much.
Scott Stone
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I have seen the sirocco demonstrated, and actually visited the shop in California. Consider it a well done backyard engineering piece. It does not have the same filtering potential, in my opinion as the Steel Eagle.