X-Jet, Ratios and Proportions.

Paul B.

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Who's game???

How many of you that use an X-Jet have calibrated it and calculated formulas, ratios and/or proportions?

See if you can tell me what the final ratio is on the following:
The X-Jet was tested and draws 1.8 GPM from a pail on a 4 GPM unit. The mix in the pail is:
1 gallon Cleaning Chemical
1/2 gallon Clorox
3-1/2 gallons of Water
What is the dilution ratio of the cleaning solution exiting the nozzle?

2nd scenario:
1-3/4 gallons Cleaning Chemical
1-1/8 gallons Clorox
12-1/8 gallons Water
What is the dilution ratio of the cleaning solution exiting the nozzle?


Good Luck!


Regards,
 
ron p

1.8 to 4 is about 50/50 or 4 to 2[4 being the water,2 being the chem solution] this get's reduced to 2 to 1.
no matter what size the chem tank the draw ratio remains the same.
to be 100% accurate your ratio is 1.8 to 4 and you are applying it at 5.8 gal's per min.
 
What you say is true, but it does not provide the answer to the 2 scenarios described above. I am looking for exact numbers for the final chemical dilution at the exit end of the X-Jet nozzle.

Get out your calculator and start crunching the numbers - it only takes a couple of minutes.


Regards,
 
Paul:

Maybe you're not clear on what you're asking.

The ratio is 1.8:1 or .45:1

Do you want to know how strong the chemical is when it leaves the tip? For every gallon of water that leaves the tip, .45 gallons of chemical leave the tip. That means the chemical is now at 31% of its original strength.

Are you looking for the dilution ratios for each chemical in the 5 gallon mix? That gets a bit more complicated. For example, in scenario one, the bleach, in the bucket, is already diluted to 10% of its original strength, if you count the gallon of soap mix into that calculation. Once it leaves the tip, it is now at 3.1% of its original strength. So if you were using 5% bleach, you'd now be applying .16% bleach. The soap mix would be at 20% its original strength when in the bucket, if you factor in the bleach. It would be at 6.2% its original strength.

Is this what you're looking for?
 
I started the thread to see how many folks may be interested in learning how to calculate proportions and possibly from there reduce chemical costs = increase profits.

I'll give you another example:
When you do laundry, you have a 50 gallon tub of water (6400 oz.). Directions on Clorox tell you to use 6-12 oz. of 6% Clorox per load. If using 6 ounces, then the Clorox is diluted 1066:1; at 12 ounces it's diluted 533:1. In otherwords the SH is at 0.005% to 0.011% levels after dilution as it works on your clothes. Clorox is very effective as you can see.

When you shock a pool with 10% sodium hypochlorite using 2 gallons in a 17,000 gallon water then the dilution is 8500:1. Even in worst case scanerios where you may be getting rid of algea and use 10 gallons of SH, the dilution is 1700:1. At that dilution rate the effective content is now 0.006% SH.

The next point is that over the past year as I have been reading these boards, I've seen folks using 5.25%, 6%, 10.23%, 12% and 15% Clorox or sodium hypochlorite. The mixes have been anywhere from 1/2 gallon to 2 gallons of different % content sodium hydroxide in a 5 gallon mix where 2 to 4 pails (10 to 20 gallons of chemical mix was used to wash an average size house.

If I use 1/2 gallon per 5 gallon pail and use 20 gallons total on a house that equals 2 gallons of lets say 10% SH. 2 gallons SH at $2 per gallon = $4 per house. If I use scenario 1 above, then the SH is diluted 16:1 at point of contact on house or is at 0.625% SH level. This is 104 times higher concentration than used in the pool example above (at 8 gallons).

Does anyone know what percentage (at point of contact on house) sodium hypochlorite has to be at minimum to remove mold & mildew from siding? I've heard 2% and 3% from a couple of vendors in the past. The last vendor I talked to on this subject proposed 3% (at point of contact) when used with their product.
In otherwords if I use 12% SH, my final ratio should be 4:1-SH.
At 4:1 or 3% effective rate, it's 272 times stronger than the effective rate in (heavy duty) laundry cleaning. What rates are effective for everyone else?

HAVING SAID ALL THAT:
Thru knowing my ratios and tracking cleaning results, I was able to change my detergent ratio from 20:1 to 40:1 . Thats a 50% reduction in 1 chemical being used. My original $10 per house becomes $5.00 per house for a $5.00 savings. If I clean only 5 houses per week for 34 weeks a year, that is a $850 savings.

If I use 1 gallon of SH instead of 2 gallons (without sacrificing time and quality), I can reduce my cost from $4 to $2 per house. This is a 50% cost savings or at 5 houses per week, 34 weeks = $340 savings. for a total of $1190 per year. That's 170 6-packs of Beck's dark beer for me, or pays for my business liability insurance, or pays for my phone bill, internet service bill and still leaves me beer money. Well, you get my point.

I suppose on top of everything else, it would be nice to establish a common language when people talk to each other on these boards - Final ratios (1:15); Sodium Hypochlorite % (5.25%); house size (2000 square feet); dwell times, etc..


Thanks for your time!
 
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Scenario 1 above:
Chemical = 1:15.1 dilution (water & Clorox)
Clorox = 1:31.3 dilution (Chemical & water)
Using 6% Clorox, the mix dilutes effective SH to 0.19%

Scenario 2 above:
Chemical = 1:26.6 dilution (water & Clorox)
Clorox = 1:42 dilution (Chemical & water)
Using 6% Clorox, the mix dilutes effective SH to 0.14%

We checked our equipment and I'll give you one of the results:
Pressure washer claims 3500 PSI at 4 GPM delivery.
GPM = 4+ meets manufacturers/assemblers claims after 2 years use.

X-Jet claims 1.6:1 (water to detergent mix ratio) on a 4GPM unit with open intake orifice.
Actual number was 2.5:1 (water to detergent mix ratio) - checked with 3/8" hose and 3/8" ball valve as supplied.
Added (2) 1/4" QD's and increased hose length to 65ft with no change in mix ratio.

Installed close-up nozzle and tested.
The resulting ratio was 5:1 (water to detergent mix).
Using the close-up attachment changed the resultant ration by 100%.

Watchout:
Mixing Clorox with degreaser or other cleaning agents may change effectiveness of cleaning agent. One of our cleaning agent broke down to about 30% effectiveness within 2 hours after adding Clorox.
Options:
Mix solutions in smaller batches; spot clean heaviest mold & mildew areas first; only add Clorox for mold & mildew areas; work very fast-get job done in 1 hour.

Regards,
 
paul b

thanks for your posts..i have to be honest and say for some reason this goes over my head :) but i keep reading it.

i think in was in your game brickcleaning....its a pretty tight line in profit and loss so you have got to have handle on this to maximize your profit....with house cleaning and flat work its a different story as in cost v profit(as in a recent thread.

and the tip about effectiveness after adding chlorox was handy.

cheers paul.
 
Paul-UK,

I practice maximizing my profits in all fields - it only makes sense to me. Good organization makes everything run a lot smoother and I like to take the guess-work out of the equasion as much as possible.

To me, the key to surviving and flourishing in business starts with maximizing profits:
Knowing your chemicals - what works, what doesn't, why it works or not (what is in it that makes it work) - can help you select the most cost effective chemical for the job.
Knowing what tool to apply chemicals with effectively and efficiently (knowing your tools capabilities) - minimize waste & time.
Same for knowing what your costs are - (chemicals, equipment wear, over-head).

In addition, having all the ducks in a row allows us to estimate jobs to make real profit, allows us to provide customer the best cost and value, estimate to maintain competitive edge and thereafter all cost reductions help maximize profits.
I try not to raises prices but lower our costs.

I'll give you an example:
I purchased 15 gallons of detergent for $55 plus $39 S&H. This makes my cost per gallon $6.27. The detergent can be mixed from 1:8 to 1:25. If I can apply at 1:25 my cost is $6.27 per job. If I need to apply at 1:8, my cost now is $18.80 per job. The detergent is good for 5 jobs or 15 jobs.
I would rather pocket $12.53 per job then spray it on a house needlessly - this savings could be a $1/hr raise for an employee or ....?
In addition, savings are realized if we don't need to order as frequently - ordering & receiving time is reduced by a third.

Sometimes the magnitude of savings is not significant, but if you don't run thru the numbers, you'll never know what you are waisting or what savings potential is there.


Bottoms up!
 
ron p

Paul, if you get some time check out www.eacochem.com
and read about his truck wash story.
Ive read it and still cant figure out how he makes money useing a truckwash that cost's $600 for 55 gal.[glory]
Then he want's you to use Sabre on polished alum.
$600 for 55 gal.
I understand about chems being cheaper then help but $600 for 55 gal of truck wash!!! AND THEY RECCOMEND 2 APPLICATIONS PER TRUCK!
I guess they would at that price, but they pay the shipping.
 
Ron,

You are right - the hard swallow is the initial $600 outlay - that's why he's laid out the numbers, otherwise most folks would not look at the product twice after seeing the price tag.

I don't know anything about truck/fleet washing but his sales pitch is convincing - meaning his numbers are convincing if the chemicals actually perform the way it is being advertised at 1:48 dilution - THAT IS THE KEY!

It says 55 gallons diluted 1:48 gets you a total of 2640 gallons of working mix and it takes 3 of these gallons to wash a truck ($0.69 per truck), at 2 applications it's $1.38 per truck. Like I said I don't know if that's a savings for folks in that business.
The other is shipping - I pay $0.236 per pound for ground freight - at 11 pounds per gallon (*55) it's about $143.
The final part of the equasion in buying bulk is the savings in paperwork, ordering, receiving, etc. (time is money).

Without a 1 or 5 gallon trial size you couldn't get me to lay out $600 and I've spent my money on a lot of stupid stuff!


Regards,
 
thanks for looking

5 gal trial size is $100 with shipping.
my current detergent makes 55 gals of detergent that downstreams at 70 to 1 and work's well
Steve's Atlas.
I pay about 1/2 the cost of the glory and only 1 application.
I wish someone had used the SABRE and could make an honest report.
anyone?
 
OK, this thread has officially given me a headache! What's intersting is that it completely makes sense once you figure it out, hence the onset of the headache.

Thanks for the valuable input, Paul B.! Now I'll go mix my Excedrin at a ratio of 3 pills to 8 ounces of H2O and I'll let you know what THOSE results are...LOL
 
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