$25 per hour?

Scott Stone said:
Nope, from what I understand, having a father pass away helps ones debt load.
Click to expand...

Did you really hire poor Jim's project manager?


Ron Musgraves text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute
 
:yeah: he says it is better working for me as an Indian then for others as a chief.
 
Scott Stone said:
Nope, from what I understand, having a father pass away helps ones debt load.
Click to expand...

Somehow that comment strikes me as reflecting poorly. Also having certain people that can be talked-shite about here is not a good thing either.
 
You could throw a few min. wage guys in the mix and avg. it out to that right? Possibly present them with equip. rental fees and show the labor as $25-$45. It's all about appealing to certain people. Some people could call it bait and switch, but that depends on what you mean by bait and switch... huh huh ya know??
 
tomtucson said:
Somehow that comment strikes me as reflecting poorly. Also having certain people that can be talked-shite about here is not a good thing either.
Click to expand...

Regarding the first part I'm on the fence because knowing Scott, I'm not so sure that was meant they way you took it. Maybe I'm wrong.

Regarding the second part:

1) Do you thing public advertising is above scrutiny?

If you advertised "Any shopping center cleaned for $39" I think you would open yourself up to a LOT of criticism whether it was bait and switch, a straight out lie, or an actual price you were charging for an unsustainable contract. At the very least it is giving the wrong idea to anybody with a home depot unit who is out of a job and thinks $45 an hour is enough to sustain business. Who knows how many NEW pressure washers have started up because of his ad. Maybe that's where all the new PWI signups are coming from. :)

It might be written off as a mistake unless you had previously made a big stink about "lowballers" all over the place like Cooney has.

Maybe we have it all wrong and it's neither a lie, b&s or lowballing. Maybe he's hiring at that rate. If so, there are other places on Craigslist. He's not stupid, he would know where to put it if that was the case.

2) Last I looked Jim is not banned here. He just can't hold his own so he chooses to post elsewhere where he can complain about anyone who disagrees with him and have them scolded. I welcome him here. Let's go toe to toe.

3) It's not us who need to be scolded about this. It's your buddy Jim. I, personally wouldn't have even posted in this thread if it weren't for all his demeaning posts to anyone who dares suggest that they can clean concrete for less than 8 cents. Would you like me to bring those up?

I guess I shouldn't even care. It's your back yard he's pooping in with that ad.
 
Wasn't talking about any of that Tony, just that there are people who can be talked about in a way that would not be tolerated towards others.
 
And how do you compete with the only company in the US that has ever been certified by the EPA?

It is lying Tom. I thought you were opposed to things like that.
aefe15f3-78a5-0510.jpg


Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
 
Not addressing any other issues than what I wrote about. Bringing in recently deceased parents is not ok. Speculating that you know about how bad someones business is doing never seems to be worthwhile.
 
Maybe your right Tom, I don't even know Jim. Met him in vegas I suppose the same time you did.

I lost one job out of thousands this year. Yeah just one !! I don't think it was too Jim.

I actually can't even believe one. That's a record year.

All these graiglist ads, sorry Ty they look desperate.

Please don't be offended, I know the SEO trick. Personally I want people who know me, not shoppers wanting the rock bottom prices.

Too me that's these ads


Ron Musgraves text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute
 
tomtucson said:
Not addressing any other issues than what I wrote about. Bringing in recently deceased parents is not ok. Speculating that you know about how bad someones business is doing never seems to be worthwhile.
Click to expand...

I agree, Scott's likely to agree also


Ron Musgraves text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute
 
Tony Shelton said:
And how do you compete with the only company in the US that has ever been certified by the EPA?

It is lying Tom. I thought you were opposed to things like that.
aefe15f3-78a5-0510.jpg


Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

How's he lying , I think he is certified Pwna cwa
46be51d6-817d-f86d.jpg



Ron Musgraves text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute
 
tomtucson said:
Wasn't talking about any of that Tony, just that there are people who can be talked about in a way that would not be tolerated towards others.
Click to expand...

Here is the reason for that Tom: -

Grime Busters said:
Absolutely Tom. I only do quality work, and price my work accordingly. Action speaks louder than words. Our work is our best advertisement.

That being said, the market is tight these days, but I will never sacrifice the quality of the work we perform nor lower my prices to get in a bidding war with some low baller, splash and dash outfit.

I've been slammed busy, must be doing something right. As I have suggested to Mike, one of these days when I have a free couple days (like a weekend, I recall weekends being relaxing, once upon a time), maybe me and the wife will road trip down to Tucson and we can all meet for food, drinks and brain storming ???
Click to expand...

Grime Busters said:
I've never done a job for less than $0.065 a square foot, and that is one of my projects that is 80,000 sq ft done 3 times a year, and never will. Gas stations you will need to reclaim, or risk a very expensive fine.

Assuming you have insurance and the other typical overhead, how can you or any legit contractor make any money at all at $0.04 a square foot ????

5190 sq ft with reclaim, nothing less than $0.12 a sq ft on a scheduled maintenance.
Click to expand...

Grime Busters said:
My "hobbies" don't require the $8000 a year in insurance payments, workmans comp payments, self employment taxes and equipment costs / maintenance.

I do understand some markets have the majority of professional contractors bidding against the 2 cent a sq ft splash and dash "contractor". I sell quality, 100% satisfaction guarantee and fully insured and bonded personnel, guaranteed not to damage my customers properties.

Case in point, I just completed a Super Walmart renovation project last week. 75 total man hours. Made over $60.00 per man hour. The GC had 2 other "contractors" on site, giving all 3 of us the ability to prove our selves. The other 2 "contractors" got run off the job, and one of these "contractors" bid was half of mine. The other "contractor" wanted to work by the hour.

The center was trashed, hadn't been professionally cleaned in God knows when. Last Tuesday afternoon I had the opportunity to meet with the VP for the GC and 2 of Walmart's "big wigs", one of them a direct relative to Sam Walton. The best compliment I've ever receive was when one of the Walmart reps told me "we rarely experience this level of quality from our pressure washing contractors, coast to coast". For me and our business model, that itself means more that the net profit. And the future business this one project has already begun to generate is priceless.

I sell quality, dependability and quality control on each and every project. Constant, personal communication no matter how big or small a project is.
Click to expand...

Grime Busters said:
Never done a job for less than $0.065 a square foot and never will. And that price is for a quarterly cleaning of a property 80,000 square foot +.

I wouldn't do a reclaim job for less than $0.14 a square foot. I'm in business to make money, and I only do quality work. And business is good.

Some guys "claim" to reclaim, only to get busters either doing nothing at all or using a Tennent or other vacuum system and get caught dumping the unprocessed waste water into a drain.
Click to expand...

I understand he's your friend. He's welcome to join in here at any time.

I meant no disrespect about his father. My issue is the hypocricy.
 
The last I heard, the EPA does not certify companies, contractors or individuals.
 
I don't mean to offend, or be disrespectful to anyone. I am not that way, and anyone that knows me well, knows that. From what I understand, Jim did not finance his super rig, because he used part of his inheritance, if he bought one. That part is subject to serious speculation. Any comment that he has recovery equipment, as of the end of November, is without value, because I know for certain that at that time he did not have one. Because of my associations, and employees that used to work for him, I know more about his business then I care to, and probably should not even dignify any post about him, and his capabilities as a contractor with a response. Since he has been known to repeatedly spread flat out lies and insinuations about me, and my "stealing" contracts from him, I think that, at least in my court, he is fair game. For me, it is personal.
Example one:
I was called, because of an article I wrote, to bid a large parking garage. I bid it at my standard rate, even though I knew what the higher bidder bid, which was Jim, at about 10 cents a foot, and what the lowest bid was, at 1.25 cents a foot. I did not get the job, Jim did not get the job, the low bid got the job. Jim went around telling people that I came in, after he told me about a job, and undercut him on pricing. That was an absolute lie, and fabrication.
Example two:
I spent a few hours with Jim, on the phone, and to a job site to bid an engine remanufacturing plant, because he was new, and did not know how to bid it. He wanted me to partner with him, and I said no. First I don't partner, and second, unless someone has more experience then me, I am certainly not going to be subject to the whims of someone else being in control of the project. He told some people that I tried to steal that job from him. I did not even want the job. It was a bag of worms, and would be nearly imposible to do. I told Jim how to do it, but that is all I was interested in doing. And barely that.
Example three:
Constant insinuations about winning contracts that I have done, or recently won, and claiming that they are his.

Not that I am bitter, I just hate a liar. There are not many people I hate, but I do hate liars. Whatever stripe they are.
 
Christopher said:
The last I heard, the EPA does not certify companies, contractors or individuals.
Click to expand...

Like I said I don't think he's EPA certified, it has / between that.


Ron Musgraves text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute
 
I think it kind of funny that when it's your competition as a mod to say negative things when someone lies or is caught in a lie, but yet when someone else calls out someone for getting caught in several lies or for being a snake oil salesmen, we have to stop calling them out on their lies or worse yet, the thread gets moved....I'm just saying. Is it cause Jim isn't a distributor or does that only apply to certain people?

I am in no way sticking up for Jim, in fact, I'm glad someone else is getting called out onto the carpet as they should be when caught in a lie. I just have a problem with the supposed freedom of speech that keeps getting touted over here, but is heavily moderated for certain people and not others.

I would like the mods to remember this thread next time the snake oil salesman gets caught in ANOTHER lie, and it's called out yet again, please remember how everyone was bashing Jim (including some mods) in this thread before you go yanking or telling people to stop saying negative things.

Carry on with the public humiliation.....
 
Clear Shine said:
I think it kind of funny that when it's your competition as a mod to say negative things when someone lies or is caught in a lie, but yet when someone else calls out someone for getting caught in several lies or for being a snake oil salesmen, we have to stop calling them out on their lies or worse yet, the thread gets moved....I'm just saying. Is it cause Jim isn't a distributor or does that only apply to certain people?

I am in no way sticking up for Jim, in fact, I'm glad someone else is getting called out onto the carpet as they should be when caught in a lie. I just have a problem with the supposed freedom of speech that keeps getting touted over here, but is heavily moderated for certain people and not others.

I would like the mods to remember this thread next time the snake oil salesman gets caught in ANOTHER lie, and it's called out yet again, please remember how everyone was bashing Jim (including some mods) in this thread before you go yanking or telling people to stop saying negative things.

Carry on with the public humiliation.....
Click to expand...

Lol he's not my competition either. Lol

I have actually sent leads his way. Stopped because people said he didn't respond. I send all my competitors leads and work. Ty ,Scott , Jim and others here would verify that. I also help train them , if you read the thread I helped Jim with cold calling.

I do not fear my competitors , even Scott now that he has nearly as many units as me.

No one is going to get any of my customers unless I'm not doing my job.

I have nothing to say about Jim c , nothing.

Please don't tell us there are double standards.

If you even accused another bbs staff or personal owner such as mark Beth or bob this post would be gone. The debate wouldn't be allowed. So instead of complaining about everything think about how great a place is you can really speak your mind?

Think about that


Ron Musgraves text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top