At the Crown.....room 815 party going right now!!
TWS (Tech Wash) - We are no Longer Providing Service to!
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At the Crown.....room 815 party going right now!!
Guy Blackmon
Roundtable Host 2009
Which one William???? The one you're a Member of, or the one I belong to????:sarcastic:
Seriously guys, there are 2 ways of looking at this #1... Unite together and come up with a game to fight this sort of "Whoring Of Our Industry"
Or
#2...Let the lowballers have at it, and then let the "Fed Up" customers seek out Professionals. (My Personal Favorite!!)
swrest
New member
There will always be another lowballer ..... it is like illegal imogration.... they just keep coming.
Would like to see licensing for this type of work.....here in Florida if you paint you must show experience before you get license and you need to have good credit to get license as well.....same for lots of trades here, but unfortunately anyone can PW....and I do mean anyone. So like I said, this is something that the ORGs' should be on top of.:thud:
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Joe, before you start down that track I'd invite you to investigate how much licensing has helped the HVAC contractors and determine just how many lowballers and hacks have disappeared as a result of the licensing. (almost none)
ll licensing does is invite the devil into our business in the form of fees (taxes).
And once the devil is invited in, he makes himself at home and takes everything he can get.
He will outlaw all chemicals that work (i.e. freon)
He will tax you in every city you work in (license fees)
He will tax you for doing different types of work (i.e. refrigeration, HVAC, Mechanical installation, maintenance, ect.) And if you want to do multiples you will pay for all of them.
If you take a close look at HVAC pricing you'll find that the lowballers today DO IN FACT charge more than the lowballers used to. But upon closer examination you find that their pricing is exactly the original LOW BALL price + the cost of government interference.
The HVAC industry accomplished nothing with promoting licensing except to add another tit*y for the government to receive nourishment from.
Our industry and our economy is already struggling. What happens when a mall is "required" by the government to spend an additional amount per year for mandatory cleaning? Do you think the mall is going to absorb that cost? No way. That cost will go directly to the shoe store or the yogurt shop that's already struggling to keep it's doors open.
Careful what you wish for.
Joe, when you come out here I'll give you a tour of Ghost strip malls and malls that are only 15-25% occupied. I'll show you a 10 yr leased business paying $6k per month for 1000 square feet when his new neighbor has a lease for $1200/mo for the same size store. How much more do you think that 6k guy can absorb in new costs.
It's up to us to sell our service. The old way of business by strong arming with the hand of the government is why this country is on the verge of bankruptcy right now.
I will adamantly oppose any and all efforts to involve the government in our industry.
Before you go full force into it please do some research and let us know what industries have benefited by government enforcement without either completely closing the door of entry into the field by anyone except independently wealthy businessmen or without opening the industry to exploratory surgical scrutiny that it otherwise could have avoided.
PS. With all the HVAC companies I sub for I'd almost be willing to bet $1000 that you make more hourly per tech than they do after their expenses. See how much licensing has helped?
ll licensing does is invite the devil into our business in the form of fees (taxes).
And once the devil is invited in, he makes himself at home and takes everything he can get.
He will outlaw all chemicals that work (i.e. freon)
He will tax you in every city you work in (license fees)
He will tax you for doing different types of work (i.e. refrigeration, HVAC, Mechanical installation, maintenance, ect.) And if you want to do multiples you will pay for all of them.
If you take a close look at HVAC pricing you'll find that the lowballers today DO IN FACT charge more than the lowballers used to. But upon closer examination you find that their pricing is exactly the original LOW BALL price + the cost of government interference.
The HVAC industry accomplished nothing with promoting licensing except to add another tit*y for the government to receive nourishment from.
Our industry and our economy is already struggling. What happens when a mall is "required" by the government to spend an additional amount per year for mandatory cleaning? Do you think the mall is going to absorb that cost? No way. That cost will go directly to the shoe store or the yogurt shop that's already struggling to keep it's doors open.
Careful what you wish for.
Joe, when you come out here I'll give you a tour of Ghost strip malls and malls that are only 15-25% occupied. I'll show you a 10 yr leased business paying $6k per month for 1000 square feet when his new neighbor has a lease for $1200/mo for the same size store. How much more do you think that 6k guy can absorb in new costs.
It's up to us to sell our service. The old way of business by strong arming with the hand of the government is why this country is on the verge of bankruptcy right now.
I will adamantly oppose any and all efforts to involve the government in our industry.
Before you go full force into it please do some research and let us know what industries have benefited by government enforcement without either completely closing the door of entry into the field by anyone except independently wealthy businessmen or without opening the industry to exploratory surgical scrutiny that it otherwise could have avoided.
PS. With all the HVAC companies I sub for I'd almost be willing to bet $1000 that you make more hourly per tech than they do after their expenses. See how much licensing has helped?
swrest
New member
....It is and always will be the survival of the fittest, nuff said.
Read and research, know budgets, get ahead of the pac.
And one last thing, I don't want government controlling and micro managing,BUT they are already here, they drove the first 6,000,000,000,000,000 miles they just need to come the last 20 fett.
randyr5150
New member
Can we have a LIKE button !
Oh so true!!! there is no bend over smiley :thud: I guess this will have to do..
Oh so true!!! there is no bend over smiley :thud: I guess this will have to do..
Carolina Prowash
Exterior Surface Pros
Joe, I do believe I'm going to go out of my way to find you this weekend
"Read, research, know budgets,get ahead of the pack" I like that mindset.
Celeste
"Read, research, know budgets,get ahead of the pack" I like that mindset.
Celeste
Christopher
Moderator
Great info Joe as usual.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
Joe, from what I understand a strictly regulated industry would have excluded you and me years ago.
Both of us have survived by thinking out of the box and selling our butts off without the help of government entanglement. Why, at this stage of the game with all the success you've see would you want to shackle future entrepreneurs with that burden? I say give them the same chance we've had.
Once you start making the circle of accepted contractors smaller and smaller based solely on whether the government sees you as "fit" to be a contractor it won't be long before there's no one in the circle except one of those "large" companies and you'll find yourself excluded.
It isn't worth gambling with. These young guys (and girls) don't know enough history to know that the monopolies that control all the money in this country almost all rely on government control to keep their competition down. They don't realize that the chances of them actually becoming one of the controlling interests are about a million to one. Chances are a company that knows absolutely nothing about power washing will come in and take over the entire market with low paid employees that will work for a LOT less than the local hack.
Where are the small taxi cab companies? Limo services? The big companies have monopolized the market by inviting the government in. They pay HUGE fees for the privilege of being a near monopoly.
Taxi cab rates are higher than they have ever been but profit margins are lower than they were in 1980.
How's it going to benefit our industry if we keep prices up but pay the difference in fees and taxes?
From your posts it looks like we think a lot alike. That's why I'm surprised to hear you say you'd like to see more licensing.
Both of us have survived by thinking out of the box and selling our butts off without the help of government entanglement. Why, at this stage of the game with all the success you've see would you want to shackle future entrepreneurs with that burden? I say give them the same chance we've had.
Once you start making the circle of accepted contractors smaller and smaller based solely on whether the government sees you as "fit" to be a contractor it won't be long before there's no one in the circle except one of those "large" companies and you'll find yourself excluded.
It isn't worth gambling with. These young guys (and girls) don't know enough history to know that the monopolies that control all the money in this country almost all rely on government control to keep their competition down. They don't realize that the chances of them actually becoming one of the controlling interests are about a million to one. Chances are a company that knows absolutely nothing about power washing will come in and take over the entire market with low paid employees that will work for a LOT less than the local hack.
Where are the small taxi cab companies? Limo services? The big companies have monopolized the market by inviting the government in. They pay HUGE fees for the privilege of being a near monopoly.
Taxi cab rates are higher than they have ever been but profit margins are lower than they were in 1980.
How's it going to benefit our industry if we keep prices up but pay the difference in fees and taxes?
From your posts it looks like we think a lot alike. That's why I'm surprised to hear you say you'd like to see more licensing.
tomtucson
New member
I'd rather chew my own arm off than see licensing come to powerwashing. But if I am forced and threatened to live with it then yes stay ahead and use it to my advantage. I like your attitude, licensing and govt involvement sure doesn't sound like it fits in anywhere with you Joe??? I strongly agree with almost everything in your last post, but I think it all disagrees with your first post!
I do think the natural course of free men is to make everything better, faster and cheaper, and everyone wins - and when there's forced interference - govt involvement - we get crappier, slower and more expensive and (almost)everyone loses.
I do think the natural course of free men is to make everything better, faster and cheaper, and everyone wins - and when there's forced interference - govt involvement - we get crappier, slower and more expensive and (almost)everyone loses.
Ohio pressure wash
New member
Logo's are not going to get the property owners to stop hiring the cheapest splash and dash service. Just look at the new PWNA Logo campaign....certification. What's that cost?
That is all I see from the Org's.....buying a logo.
The problem is motivating the root revenue source to hire professionals......yet the collective thinking of 2 Org's has been to come up with more ways to generate revenue from the PW'er.
News flash.....the professional PW'ers already get it!