New Ride on Surface machine by Bill Clemmons

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Bill Clemmons in Conjunction with Whisper Wash has design and built these 36" Ride on Surface Machines. The one you see pictured here was used to Clean the Dover Raceway which was over 1,000,000 sq ft. To think that you would do a large job like this with a "Walk Behind" surface machine think again.....

These Type of Large Jobs you can make a ton of money per hour with one of these machines. Bill builds two types of this particular machines. One with the ability to Reclaim and one for straight Powerwashing. The one he is going to be showcasing at various upcomming events he is just about finished Building...can you say Mag wheels?? You will see a state of the art trailer and one of these machines.

Bill did authorize me to show these pictures here. Just think of the money you can make with these. One decent size job and this machine will pay for itself and then some.
 

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Thanks John, how many would you be ordering?

What is the price point on the vacuuming and non vacumming?

How does it compare to the swabby 48?

Is there something bigger than 36" in the works?
 
810f250 said:
Thanks John, how many would you be ordering? I may order one in the future. There much less expensive then what I have now.

What is the price point on the vacuuming and non vacumming?Its around $2000 dollar difference in one of these machines that are made for reclaiming compared to not having the ability to reclaim. The starting point for one of these Ride on Machines is in the $12,000 range.

How does it compare to the swabby 48? Nothing compares to the Swabby 48 because My machine the bars are belt driven which makes it faster. Still for the Money these Units are special. They can cut on a dime and they just make these tremendous size jobs that much more tolerable to do.

Is there something bigger than 36" in the works?
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Good Question which I don't know the answer to..yet. I'm guessing Bill can make these according to what Specs your looking for.
 
I have been working on an idea very, very similar for about a year now, I told Jim from Crystal Cleaning about it.

Those driver units can be bought, modified some and then adapted to a surface cleaning deck. It would not steer the same but would cost a lot less than $12,000 to make. Those driver units (no steering like in those pictures and no rear wheel) cost about $5000.

Those driving units are in the Parking Lot striping industry, Fine Line Industries and Graco sell them to attach behind parking lot striping machines so you can drive and stripe huge parking lots.

I was working on some ideas (some I have shared with members and a couple vendors on the bbs's) to make kits to adapt the driver to a surface cleaner.

The older version of the driver used hydrostatic transmissions like riding lawnmowers use (I have that older style of driving unit for my striping machines) but the newer type driving units have hydraulic pump motors on each wheel to drive them. Some of them will go 12 to 15 mph depending on which engine you order it with.

This technology is no secret, the driving units have been out since the early 2000's, I got mine back in 2005 or 2006 to push my striping machines. You can order the Graco brand from Sherwin Williams or other large paint supplier, the other brand (the original that Graco copied) is from David at Fine Line Industries. Do a search for Lazy Liner2 or the one by Graco called the Line Driver.

It is a great idea, $5000 for the driving unit and then you make the modifications and adapt it to a surface cleaner.






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Christopher said:
I have been working on an idea very, very similar for about a year now, I told Jim from Crystal Cleaning about it.

Those driver units can be bought, modified some and then adapted to a surface cleaning deck. It would not steer the same but would cost a lot less than $12,000 to make. Those driver units (no steering like in those pictures and no rear wheel) cost about $5000.

Those driving units are in the Parking Lot striping industry, Fine Line Industries and Graco sell them to attach behind parking lot striping machines so you can drive and stripe huge parking lots.

I was working on some ideas (some I have shared with members and a couple vendors on the bbs's) to make kits to adapt the driver to a surface cleaner.

The older version of the driver used hydrostatic transmissions like riding lawnmowers use (I have that older style of driving unit for my striping machines) but the newer type driving units have hydraulic pump motors on each wheel to drive them. Some of them will go 12 to 15 mph depending on which engine you order it with.

This technology is no secret, the driving units have been out since the early 2000's, I got mine back in 2005 or 2006 to push my striping machines. You can order the Graco brand from Sherwin Williams or other large paint supplier, the other brand (the original that Graco copied) is from David at Fine Line Industries. Do a search for Lazy Liner2 or the one by Graco called the Line Driver.

It is a great idea, $5000 for the driving unit and then you make the modifications and adapt it to a surface cleaner.






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Yes Chris that can be done. Its the same thing that can be done building a Powerwasher from scratch. But most guys do not want to do that. Most guys want a piece of machinary that they know is true and tried and works. Some of the types of Machinery have patents involved with them so there is alot of money usually spent in there prototype because of all of this.

If you have the time to build one and market it and make sure that no one has a patent on the one your building then I say give it a go. I can just tell you I've met and talked to many guys who say what you are saying here and yet no one has really done that. Bob From PT state built some wild surface machines including one that was over 72 inches. It was a walk behind and I believed it had the ability to have 27gpm be able to go thru it. This machine was customed made for a Client at around $6000 if My memory serves me correctly.

I also known a Vendor who I will not mention has spent a $100,000 for a protype of a machine similar to my swabby machine. I also heard that this Vendor needed a couple of Hundred more thousand to make this a go and he just could not come up with those kind of funds to take that risk. There are liabilty factors to consider to.

So if you can build it...I'd love to see it.
 
Ok, here you go. Here is where you can see the Graco Line Driver:
http://www.graco.com/Internet/T_PDB.nsf/SearchView/LineDriver

And here is where you can find info about the Fine Line Industries Lazy Liner:
http://lazyliner2.com/Lazy Liner 2.htm


Both have many years, have been professionally engineered and I believe have patents on both of them but Graco copied the lazy liner and the owner did not have the capital to sue unfortunately.

Both units are sold and being used all around the world, not just here in the United States, they both ship them world wide.

Here are some pictures of them, all you have to do is some modifications like a rear wheel for stability for tipping back and some front stability that is independent from the surface cleaner suspension and couple them together.

One of these days I will have to buy a welding machine and have my welder teach me how to weld, have a lot more ideas out there that I need to weld to make, and I need to learn how to weld aluminum also.

Here are the pics:
 

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Christopher said:
Ok, here you go. Here is where you can see the Graco Line Driver:
http://www.graco.com/Internet/T_PDB.nsf/SearchView/LineDriver

And here is where you can find info about the Fine Line Industries Lazy Liner:
http://lazyliner2.com/Lazy Liner 2.htm


Both have many years, have been professionally engineered and I believe have patents on both of them but Graco copied the lazy liner and the owner did not have the capital to sue unfortunately.

Both units are sold and being used all around the world, not just here in the United States, they both ship them world wide.

Here are some pictures of them, all you have to do is some modifications like a rear wheel for stability for tipping back and some front stability that is independent from the surface cleaner suspension and couple them together.

One of these days I will have to buy a welding machine and have my welder teach me how to weld, have a lot more ideas out there that I need to weld to make, and I need to learn how to weld aluminum also.

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Chris it may be easier to use the three wheel riders from the lawn industry and adapt it.
 
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If I was guessing, I would say that a swabby with motor driven spray bars would be like the Turbo Twister that also has motor driven spray bars, both would be considerably faster than a regular surface cleaner since part of the flow and force is not being taken to turn the spray bar.

I wonder if Turbo Twister and Swabby did comparison testing side by side to conventional surface cleaners to see how much faster their machines were? That would be interesting to see and a great selling point for their machines.






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Christopher said:
If I was guessing, I would say that a swabby with motor driven spray bars would be like the Turbo Twister that also has motor driven spray bars, both would be considerably faster than a regular surface cleaner since part of the flow and force is not being taken to turn the spray bar.

I wonder if Turbo Twister and Swabby did comparison testing side by side to conventional surface cleaners to see how much faster their machines were? That would be interesting to see and a great selling point for their machines.






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Thats true, what is the price point on the "turbo twister" Chris, you know?
 
810f250 said:
Chris it may be easier to use the three wheel riders from the lawn industry and adapt it.
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That might be true.

I was thinking of buying a used zero degree turn mower and removing the deck and installing a surface cleaner deck there then you would have a driveable surface cleaner, one of the problems is you would have to govern your speed to keep from leaving swirls from moving too fast, maybe a speed for cleaning and a speed for driving.

Steel Eagle makes a deck (forgot the name) but it is larger than their 30" deck for contractors for special purposes, A friend told me about it, sounds like it might work for the zero degree turn mower frame.

I was thinking of several smaller spray bars instead of a large spray bar because it would turn slower if not motor propelled. The smaller spray bars would clean that area in a good speed but you would have to stagger the design, so you would get a clean path like how Bob built that 90" surface cleaner, one spray bar on each side and one in the middle but slightly behind the two with all 3 overlapping some. That might be the best idea.

The people that bought that surface cleaner eventually made a frame to mount it to a mower so they could drive it. I think Bob told me that they had about 40gpm driving that surface cleaner deck, that is huge!






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810f250 said:
What about this Chris,
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That is like what I was thinking about, just remove the deck and add a surface cleaning deck, maybe a tension rod up high to hold the hose up and out of the way. I would have a ball valve with a manifold so I can start/stop the spray bars from close to the seat but I would also have a "T" there with a 15' hose and gun/wand if you needed it, it would be there.

I see those zero turn mowers here all the time, some are only about $2000 new but that is an off-brand, I would go with a better brand or get a good used one.
 
810f250 said:
Thats true, what is the price point on the "turbo twister" Chris, you know?
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I have not checked the current pricing but I believe that they start out around $4500 with the small engine, Jim gets them with a much larger engine.

You could even couple this to the Lazy Liner or Line Driver with a simple ball hitch and steer with the handle of the Turbo Twister but you would need to have castor wheels in the front of the Turbo Twister to steer easily and maybe make the handle into more of a handle bar like on a bicycle.
 
Christopher said:
I was thinking of several smaller spray bars instead of a large spray bar because it would turn slower if not motor propelled. The smaller spray bars would clean that area in a good speed but you would have to stagger the design, so you would get a clean path like how Bob built that 90" surface cleaner, one spray bar on each side and one in the middle but slightly behind the two with all 3 overlapping some. That might be the best idea.
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What about this Chris, I like the idea of having the flexability to break down the SC's and do smaller areas. This is how I want to run my setup.
 

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That is a great idea, I saw the video where they connected two cleaners together.

I told Lori about a few of my ideas, if her dad like them, they might start making and selling them, that would be cool! I told her to not talk about it.

Have you done that with your surface cleaners...connected them together?






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Christopher said:
That is a great idea, I saw the video where they connected two cleaners together.

I told Lori about a few of my ideas, if her dad like them, they might start making and selling them, that would be cool! I told her to not talk about it.

Have you done that with your surface cleaners...connected them together?
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Only in my mind, I have the capability, 2 BE's 20" and one 30" Mosmatic. I called mosmatic on that photo, that was custom by an individual.

Cant figure what size is the green supply hose, looks 1/2" or more.

That pictured unit would need at least 18gpm
 
If I was guessing, I would also guess 1/2" or larger pressure hose.

Look at the fire hose feeding the tank, probably use that to rinse when done also, sure would be a lot faster than a wand.

I would just connect the 2 20" surface cleaners together like they did the big ones inthe picture and get a smaller one for the back, maybe a 12" or 16" but you would need to connect a couple of your machines together to make it work.

I was thinking something similar but using 2 of the 20" spray bars and 1 12" bar in the back but all in an aluminum box, kind of like what Bob did when he built the 90" surface cleaner.

With 56" of cleaning path, that would be great, I am not sure if connecting both my 5.6 and 8gpm machines together would be enough to run it, maybe?

When you think about it, 4 to 5 gpm can run a 20" surface cleaner so in theory an 8gpm machine could run 2 of them so adding my 5.6gpm machine would be extra flow, even when adding the extra 12" spray bar in the back.

If I remember correctly, Steel Eagle would make the deck that would clean 40" wide but I do not know if it was one spray bar or a couple smaller spray bars, I will have to call my friend to get the details.

I think he told me that the deck would be less than $1200 which I think would be a great price considering the deck, spray bars, swivels, engineering, construction, etc...






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