Hey Ron it looks like you're getting famous

Ron Musgraves said:
I don't think they hate me. Just can't survive on own. Why else would you really name a group that? Drama , they are full of it. Yet they promote they don't,

Let's face it , my. Groups are more popular. Not because we tell people they can't be there , we invite anyone as long as they are respectful.


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I see a lot of respect in this group, but also a lot of disrespect.
And with all due respect for you, Ron, surely you've read the "About" description: Would you like to talk about window cleaning, power washing, roof cleaning, any other add-ons, and business in general without massive Spam bombardment and endless BS.
 
danwagner said:
I see a lot of respect in this group, but also a lot of disrespect.
And with all due respect for you, Ron, surely you've read the "About" description: Would you like to talk about window cleaning, power washing, roof cleaning, any other add-ons, and business in general without massive Spam bombardment and endless BS.
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ROTFLMAO! Started by Thad, the spam king.

You guys kill me with your naivete.

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Tony it's ok guys joined wcra , the guys who did needed the help and motivation.

One thing we have to keep in mind is regardless of the personal issues they did good things for new guys.

I have no issue against the members, they are just trying to better thing fit there family's.




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Tony Shelton said:
ROTFLMAO! Started by Thad, the spam king.

You guys kill me with your naivete.

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I've never been spammed by Thad.
Tony, you can say people such as me are naive, but you can read anything in that group (which I personally would not have named what it's named). It's an open group.
Where's the spam? Where's the hate? Give me some proof that this is what the group is all about.
 
I know you were talking to Tony Shelton, Dan but if you remember it started out as a closed group. If you add to that some of the things originally being said about Ron and what it's named it could easily be construed as a hate group. Not all the members but the intent originally I mean.
 
danwagner said:
Why do you think all these people hate you, Ron?
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Dan,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing you would deny hating anyone.
Just for grins - do you have a theory as to why these other people hate him?
 
Gary Mauer said:
Dan,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing you would deny hating anyone.
Just for grins - do you have a theory as to why these other people hate him?
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I guess I'd need to know what you mean specifically by hate, Gary. I don't hate any human to the point of wishing he were dead. I don't hate anyone in the sense of wishing ruination to his life. I can't picture myself pummeling someone over something that merely irks me.
I do hate certain personalities and lifestyles and patterns of behavior in some individuals. I will admit I'd like to see some guys and even gals at times on the various forums, groups, and companies humbled or at least reap what they sow. But isn't this all subject to my own opinions and sentiments?

So no, Gary. I don't really hate anyone, including Ron, the way some on this thread are claiming.

And your last question is to me currently not worth answering, because I didn't concede that all the other members hate him.
 
Dan they started a group without Gary , only six people joined.

They started a group ageists me 180 joined . 168 joined to See what's up as they are friends.

They ditched Gary group because they thought they would have more that dislike him. It failed

This group I encourage my friends to join, they did.


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mistersqueegee said:
I know you were talking to Tony Shelton, Dan but if you remember it started out as a closed group. If you add to that some of the things originally being said about Ron and what it's named it could easily be construed as a hate group. Not all the members but the intent originally I mean.
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I know it was a closed group at one time, Tony. And I do agree that it can easily be construed that way. That's why I wouldn't have called it that if I were to have created it.
But still, it is open to searching now and the vast, and I mean VAST majority of posts have nothing to do with Ron, good or bad.
 
danwagner said:
I've never been spammed by Thad.
Tony, you can say people such as me are naive, but you can read anything in that group (which I personally would not have named what it's named). It's an open group.
Where's the spam? Where's the hate? Give me some proof that this is what the group is all about.
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Sounds like they have left you out of the group then Dan. That's what they do when they don't trust you.

Don't stress on it though. Thad and some of the others used to call me quite a bit and make little off the cuff insinuations about Ron to me early on to feel me out and see if I would be easily led into their rhetoric. Once they realized I wasn't going to take any accusation as gospel without investigating and getting to the bottom if it the calls ceased. And I was labeled a "minion" of Ron's.

Regarding spam, have you ever heard of NOLA? Lol. Who else in the industry starts spamming for people to sign up for next years event before this year's event is even over? Funny....., no spam from Thad.....you are cracking me up.

Also if you get anything from Chris L you have gotten it from Thad.

Thad owns Chris. I don't know if they are spamming as much as they were because they are probably running out of money now. I just blocked them so I don't get it any more. I don't do windows.

Any of them could have done the same thing with Ron if spam was really the issue. But those of us who have been around for a while know that spam has nothing to do with it.

I hope you get it all figured out.

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Tony Shelton said:
Sounds like they have left you out of the group then Dan. That's what they do when they don't trust you.

Don't stress on it though. Thad and some of the others used to call me quite a bit and make little off the cuff insinuations about Ron to me early on to feel me out and see if I would be easily led into their rhetoric. Once they realized I wasn't going to take any accusation as gospel without investigating and getting to the bottom if it the calls ceased. And I was labeled a "minion" of Ron's.

Regarding spam, have you ever heard of NOLA? Lol. Who else in the industry starts spamming for people to sign up for next years event before this year's event is even over? Funny....., no spam from Thad.....you are cracking me up.

Also if you get anything from Chris L you have gotten it from Thad.

Thad owns Chris. I don't know if they are spamming as much as they were because they are probably running out of money now. I just blocked them so I don't get it any more. I don't do windows.

Any of them could have done the same thing with Ron if spam was really the issue. But those of us who have been around for a while know that spam has nothing to do with it.

I hope you get it all figured out.

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Tony, I'm sorry, but you have unfortunately predisposed me to not taking you too seriously in the short time I've been participating here.
Besides the awesome knowledge and advice on PW subjects in general I've seen you share, I see a lot of what I take as paranoia about government and people. I'm not talking about the libel, but other things. You quote the Scriptures when it fits your angle, but seem to miss some key principles and advice from them.
So I'll just go on living in my blissfully ignorant state and let Thad spam me out of house and home. I suppose I'll get a bill eventually for all the "free" advice he's given me as well.
 
danwagner said:
Tony, I'm sorry, but you have unfortunately predisposed me to not taking you too seriously in the short time I've been participating here.
Besides the awesome knowledge and advice on PW subjects in general I've seen you share, I see a lot of what I take as paranoia about government and people. I'm not talking about the libel, but other things. You quote the Scriptures when it fits your angle, but seem to miss some key principles and advice from them.
So I'll just go on living in my blissfully ignorant state and let Thad spam me out of house and home. I suppose I'll get a bill eventually for all the "free" advice he's given me as well.
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Dan, I am who I am and hiding views that may be unpopular just so you can "take me seriously" is not in my character.

I would welcome you to point out any principles and advice from the scriptures that I have been missing.

Even though I preached my first real sermon in front of 200 at age 11, graduated from a Christian school, earned a full scholarship to a Christian college, attended seminary and paid my expenses behind the pulpit, and married my wife when she returned from a two year missionary campaign in Romania and Russia, I didn't really understand God's grace till less than a decade ago.

So I am always open to learning. Please take the time to correct me when I'm wrong either publicly or privately.

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Tony, I didn't take you as confrontational. I realize how passionate and sincere you are about what you discuss. Sorry if I come across as that way. If I sense a confrontation, I will take my leave from the discussion.

I'll refrain from a deep Scriptural sermon on this thread. We all know nobody ever "wins"
 
danwagner said:
Ron, I don't want to feel like I have to be a spokesman anymore for that group.

I almost think that you'd be disappointed if it were shut down. Just a theory.
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No Dan Truthfully under the circumstances I wish it had never been Started, but when something is done I have learned you make the best of it. They will eventually delete of change the name of the group. Seriously people will be why are we all based on being without someone?

If you want a Group without me just Ban me like Charity or anyone else that doesn't like me. I have no hard feelings Towards here for this, its her group and if she feels its better without thats great.

If Rob Banned me I would be upset , but I guess I would respect his choice and move on. I wouldn't go start a group without him.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Dan I saw where you asked if thats a Hate Group, when it first started it was Closed.

I'm sorry you do not start a Place Against or without a person for these reasons. Those are not the reasons anyway, those reasons are excuses. If you do not like Contest or anything I promote un-freind me or just Block me. Its pretty simple, I just help people in the industry.

Here's a Shocking Video when I pointed out that Thad was in-fact business Partner with Chris. They called me a Liar and said pretty ridiculous things.

I'll leave the video Open for the view for 24 Hours.

Here's what was so obnoxious they say terrible things about my charities. I'm sorry guys that say things about a person who has dedicated part of his life to service of his fellow man just hits you the wrong way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG3RksXtCrE

By the Way Dan I do not Hate them I feel badly for them and forgive them. I have asked on countless times to just leave me alone. Except I get the regular TExt messages which I see as humorous now about how they are winning. I did not know it was a race, I just do what I do and for the most part Pay no attention to anyone.



NO I do Not Support anyone Like this , if thats not HATE I have no Idea what it is.
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Dan at the End of the Day this is why some might think they HATE, if you read Thad & Chris's words here and innuendoes then you might understand.

People have also watch thad's Picture Photoshop here by someone because semantic he's says he doesn't photo shop however they used to be all over here and his facebook of me. WIERD !!!!

I simply asked him to not further contact me any longer and want nothing to do with him or Chris. How ever they keep texting me and bothering me, recently Chris texting me winning.
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Its weird Strange and I wish they would STOP!!!!!


I broke off anything to do with them around April 3 2012 silently & professionally.

Then PWRA started by the way I encourage them to do when I thought they were my friends.

Then the Windows without Ron Started I guess because others on Facebook are killing them.

You see Dan at the end of the Day its all about Dollars for them as most people. I don't do this for $$$$$

Its exactly what I say it is, payback for what the cleaning industry has done for me over the years.
 
danwagner said:
Tony, I didn't take you as confrontational. I realize how passionate and sincere you are about what you discuss. Sorry if I come across as that way. If I sense a confrontation, I will take my leave from the discussion.

I'll refrain from a deep Scriptural sermon on this thread. We all know nobody ever "wins"
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Dan, feel free to PM or call me anytime. I'm not immune to walking around with blinders on.
 
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