Nice Vac Rig Setup

EGO MASTER said:
Jerry's is a dual shell surface cleaner.

That trailer is good, though I do have a bias against the Sirocco systems. I did buy one of the earliest ones that they made, and have been to the last two shops that they have had to look at their equipment.

The biggest critique I have about that trailer is that it is too tall to fit into many parking garages, and that the filtering system has too small a capacity, in my opinion. Sadly, I am starting to sound like someone else. But that filter would be over burdened very quickly in a parking garage.
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What makes the Steel Eagle reclaim superior Scott?

Did you see the post Lou had about the 23HP reclaim and recycle that hot&mighty has? Tom's OWS has a nice size pack of coalescing plates, and final stage polishing filters look good sized (3 of 95 sq.ft but not shown in photo or link).



http://www.hotandmighty.com/MCS/Recovery-Vac.html
 
810f250 said:
Something like my custom one Chris, that I never tried with vac, all the builder did was use BE parts, 18" 3 arm bar, weld a inner shell and used a BE 20" SS surface cleaner body. The gap on mine is to big.
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If I was guessing, I would guess that the gap between the inner and outer shell should be between 3/8" to 1/4" so you would not need as much vacuum to work.

The inner shell needs to extend down to about 3/8" to 1/4" from the ground, any more and you are losing too much vacuum if I remember correctly.

You can probably remove and alter the inner shell some making the necessary changes, maybe simple as adding a ring of metal that extends lower and tightening the gap between the shells and then using a lot of sealer to seal the ring to the inner shell so the vibration and heat does not weaken or vibrate the sealing compound to keep the seal good and the vacuum strong.

Maybe even add a vacuum gauge onto the deck to see where it is at to spot problems where they happen.







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810f250 said:
What makes the Steel Eagle reclaim superior Scott?

Did you see the post Lou had about the 23HP reclaim and recycle that hot&mighty has? Tom's OWS has a nice size pack of coalescing plates, and final stage polishing filters look good sized (3 of 95 sq.ft but not shown in photo or link).



http://www.hotandmighty.com/MCS/Recovery-Vac.html
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I don't like briggs engines, but especially do not like the industrial engines in place of the Vanguards. I also prefer to have a vacuum tank that is incorporated into the machine, and not a separate unit. I also like that there is a full cage on the steel eagle unit vs. a simple platform. I also like that it was easy to get a 25 horse motor, with a larger blower. Additionally, I like the option of a larger filtration system. Every Sirocco system I have seen did not have separation tanks, unless you wanted to add more 30 gallon drums, and that my separation tanks have a large drain at the bottom, vs. the 3/4 inch drain on the sirocco system. I also like that there was the availability of a 3 stage separation tank before the blower, to filter out the larger particulates. Not to mention that I felt that the fury has a better build quality.
On top of that, I paid nearly the same price for my Fury as the sirocco system.
 
EGO MASTER said:
I don't like briggs engines, but especially do not like the industrial engines in place of the Vanguards. I also prefer to have a vacuum tank that is incorporated into the machine, and not a separate unit. I also like that there is a full cage on the steel eagle unit vs. a simple platform. I also like that it was easy to get a 25 horse motor, with a larger blower. Additionally, I like the option of a larger filtration system. Every Sirocco system I have seen did not have separation tanks, unless you wanted to add more 30 gallon drums, and that my separation tanks have a large drain at the bottom, vs. the 3/4 inch drain on the sirocco system. I also like that there was the availability of a 3 stage separation tank before the blower, to filter out the larger particulates. Not to mention that I felt that the fury has a better build quality.
On top of that, I paid nearly the same price for my Fury as the sirocco system.
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Great points Scott. But dont you like the all AL 165gal. OWS on the post above ?
 

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That is nice, but I have not seen it up close and personal, so it makes it hard to make a judgement. I like my system because it is relatively compact, and can operate wit two tech's. It helps when we got 75,000 or 100,000 feet of garage we need to do in a night. Our high is 150,000 feet in one night, with two guys. We were rocking. And sore...
 
EGO MASTER said:
That is nice, but I have not seen it up close and personal, so it makes it hard to make a judgement. I like my system because it is relatively compact, and can operate wit two tech's. It helps when we got 75,000 or 100,000 feet of garage we need to do in a night. Our high is 150,000 feet in one night, with two guys. We were rocking. And sore...
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Scott post a close up of your layout.
 
810f250 said:
Have no idea Chris, but the one on the right is from a shop in MD and they wanted 70,000 USD before taxes. Fuh real.
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Wow! That is a lot of money.

With that price, do they come and sell jobs for you for a year, private tutoring for a few months on how to use the equipment and sell the jobs, a month long cruise on your favorite cruise line, a truck load of chemicals, hoses, wans, guns, nozzles and a professional website with SEO for 10 years all for free when you buy that package deal? If so, I would jump on it quick!

Otherwise I would just have it built for about 1/3 to 1/4 of that and be happy.






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Thanks for all the insight about my rig.
The vac system is a 450 cfm blower with 16” hg of lift, I do not know how that relate to feet of lift but here is a page that explains vacuums principles. http://hydraulicspneumatics.com/200/FPE/Pneumatics/Article/True/6460/Pneumatics
I run a 23 hp Briggs to power the vac. The two red drum you see have 50 gpm pumps in them that I have plumbed to either go into the tanks straight or to the oil water separator and polishing filters, depending on what kind of water I am sucking up. When the water leaves the pump out it goes through a chlorinator , then a de chlorinator, and then into a carbon filter, even after all that filtering the water is still murky , but acceptable to dispose of in sanitary system that we have permits for.
The floor cleaner is a 2 part inner / outer shell, the inner shell looks like it is made of carbon fiber or glazed fiberglass. We have to install some kind of filter screen on the bottom cause it will suck up mulch and crap and clog inside the shell.
The oil water separator is ok from the factory but needs some modifications. It uses oilphylic foam in one side and we put oil socks and pads throughout the system.
I purchased the main system ( vac, oil separator, filters and floor machine) from Jerry at Sirocco, he is the expert in this kind of system, and I would highly recommend him. His number is 1-800-400-CLEAN
As far as the vac system losing power on edges, of course, but I also have a vacu berm sitting a little off camera catching the residual water. All the sidewalks that you see us cleaning in the video with the blue building behind us, we used all recycled water that we brought from another job earlier that day and had very little loss.
You need to adjust the floor cleaner, because it will suck itself to the ground and you can’t move it, but that’s a small problem that was overcome by adjusting the spacers in the wheels.
As far as the sandals and cig well yea, that is not a normal this for us but the guy in the pic was working on a Sunday so I really can’t complain.
 
That is a good size blower vacuum. The 16" of Hg lift is equal to 220.8" of water lift or 18' of water lift so you would be able to pull up a lot of water no problem.

I am guessing that with that vacuum rig you could easily run 2 vacuum tools at a distance of 200 to 400' easily or 1 tool from 600 feet no problem.

What is the maintenance on the blower vac?







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swrest said:
Thanks for all the insight about my rig.
The vac system is a 450 cfm blower with 16” hg of lift, I do not know how that relate to feet of lift but here is a page that explains vacuums principles. http://hydraulicspneumatics.com/200/FPE/Pneumatics/Article/True/6460/Pneumatics
I run a 23 hp Briggs to power the vac. The two red drum you see have 50 gpm pumps in them that I have plumbed to either go into the tanks straight or to the oil water separator and polishing filters, depending on what kind of water I am sucking up. When the water leaves the pump out it goes through a chlorinator , then a de chlorinator, and then into a carbon filter, even after all that filtering the water is still murky , but acceptable to dispose of in sanitary system that we have permits for.
The floor cleaner is a 2 part inner / outer shell, the inner shell looks like it is made of carbon fiber or glazed fiberglass. We have to install some kind of filter screen on the bottom cause it will suck up mulch and crap and clog inside the shell.
The oil water separator is ok from the factory but needs some modifications. It uses oilphylic foam in one side and we put oil socks and pads throughout the system.
I purchased the main system ( vac, oil separator, filters and floor machine) from Jerry at Sirocco, he is the expert in this kind of system, and I would highly recommend him. His number is 1-800-400-CLEAN
As far as the vac system losing power on edges, of course, but I also have a vacu berm sitting a little off camera catching the residual water. All the sidewalks that you see us cleaning in the video with the blue building behind us, we used all recycled water that we brought from another job earlier that day and had very little loss.
You need to adjust the floor cleaner, because it will suck itself to the ground and you can’t move it, but that’s a small problem that was overcome by adjusting the spacers in the wheels.
As far as the sandals and cig well yea, that is not a normal this for us but the guy in the pic was working on a Sunday so I really can’t complain.
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Welcome to PWI, I am guessing that someone told you that you rig was on this BBS?

I posted it 14 hours after you uploaded it , I found it by chance on youtube.

Thanks for the info.

Did you ever try the mosmatic brand vac surface cleaner, not jerrys modified one, the original vac surface cleaner with one vac port?

How does detergents affect your process of recycling, how hard is it on your pumps?
 
Greetings:

Thanks foe the welcom.

The detergent has little impact on anything. The carbon filters take out the chlorine, and some soaps.

I have not tried the Mosmatic brand of SC's, and I am not all that thrilled with the one I have, the swivel has had many problems with leakage.

I am very intrested in getting another brand of SC any suggestions?
 
swrest said:
Greetings:

Thanks foe the welcom.

The detergent has little impact on anything. The carbon filters take out the chlorine, and some soaps.

I have not tried the Mosmatic brand of SC's, and I am not all that thrilled with the one I have, the swivel has had many problems with leakage.

I am very intrested in getting another brand of SC any suggestions?
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I know that Jerry was using a mosmatic swivel, I am not certain he still is, some mosmatics swivels have a habit of leaking just a bit, off and on (I have had mine just for 10 hrs and it leaked on 3 to 4 different times but it often stops), but also remember that recycled water is harsh on pumps and accessories.

What is you final stage filtration?

How can you tell when your carbon filter is spent?

Are you running 8 gpm in your current SC?

Trapped pressure unloader?

if you have 8 gpm running to the Surface Cleaner there is Steel Eagle
 
Greetings:

The swivel leaks alot, Mosmatic support is weak, but oh well, lesson learned.

My final stage in the main filter system is 20 micron. The carbon filters are built by me and have alot of square footage, so no problems yet.

I am running 8+ gpm for surface cleaners but now have 2.0 X 25 tips in it. Recover is strong and cleaning is good.

I looked at Steele Eagle before i bought this vac, I think that I will re visit them again. Howver who else has a vac surface cleaner? MAybe I need to build my own. I certainly se the weakness in this one and could probaly design one feom scratch.

Thanks.
 
I have both the Steel Eagle Vacuum surface cleaners, the 12" and 24". I have used the 24" and it is good, but the job I was doing with it I was in a big hurry to get done so I did not really spend the time adjusting the casters and it was really sucking to the concrete a lot.

I think that the next time that I use it, I will adjust it more and get to that point where it moves easier while still picking up the water.
 
swrest said:
Greetings:

The swivel leaks alot, Mosmatic support is weak, but oh well, lesson learned.

My final stage in the main filter system is 20 micron. The carbon filters are built by me and have alot of square footage, so no problems yet.

I am running 8+ gpm for surface cleaners but now have 2.0 X 25 tips in it. Recover is strong and cleaning is good.

I looked at Steele Eagle before i bought this vac, I think that I will re visit them again. Howver who else has a vac surface cleaner? MAybe I need to build my own. I certainly se the weakness in this one and could probaly design one feom scratch.

Thanks.
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There is the big boy, "turbo twister" with vac recovery.

Not quite understanding your description of tips,... is it a 2.0 orifice at 25 degrees?
If that is the tip you are using how many arms does the spinner bar have?

The microns seem fine (20), but sometimes the dissolved chems in the recycled water stream damages things.
 
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