UAMCC TAx status

Non profits can take up to two years to get final approval on status. From the day the application is accepted, a 501c-6 is permitted to operate with the status. Why it would take two years, God only knows. Its the government. The books and tax status are handled by a certified public accountant on retainer by the org.
 
pressurepros said:
Non profits can take up to two years to get final approval on status. From the day the application is accepted, a 501c-6 is permitted to operate with the status. Why it would take two years, God only knows. Its the government. The books and tax status are handled by a certified public accountant on retainer by the org.
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Thats why you cant take donations until final approval. Also no raffles...

make sense...

Thanks
 
Nope, they are not allowed to do anything that a for profit business can do. It is stated VERY specifically. You need to look again.
 
I'm not so sure Scott - I think their election may have been the appropriate one - shall we dissect?

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Business Leagues


Section 501(c)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code provides for the exemption of business leagues, chambers of commerce, real estate boards, boards of trade, and professional football leagues, which are not organized for profit and no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual.

A business league is an association of persons having some common business interest,(in this case, mobile contract cleaning aka power washing) the purpose of which is to promote such common interest (promotion of contractors AND distributors in the business related to mobile contract cleaning)and not to engage in a regular business of a kind ordinarily carried on for profit.(meaning the UAMCC as an entity cannot conduct mobile contract cleaning for pay.) Trade associations and professional associations are business leagues. To be exempt, a business league's activities must be devoted to improving business conditions of one or more lines of business as distinguished from performing particular services for individual persons. (The UAMCC is reportedly improving the education of pressure washing customers in order to have them seek a qualified professional - in this specific case - a UAMCC member)

No part of a business league's NET(The question here becomes the allowable expenses between the gross earning and the net profit) earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual and it may not be organized for profit to engage in an activity ordinarily carried on for profit (even if the business is operated on a cooperative basis or produces only enough income to be self-sustaining). The term line of business generally refers either to an entire industry or to all components of an industry within a geographic area. It does not include a group composed of businesses that market a particular brand within an industry.

Chambers of commerce and boards of trade are organizations of the same general type as business leagues. They direct their efforts at promoting the common economic interests of all commercial enterprises in a trade or community, however.

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Aside from any personal opinions or emotions toward any individual(s) that may be associated with UAMCC, as a whole, I think there are enough business men working with this to insure that their ducks will eventually all line up. After the scrutiny & bloodbath that the PWNA was subjected to over ethics & preferential treatment (whether or not it actually did happen), I would hope that the current folks dare not lead an industry down that road again.
 
The application and business plan were handled from day one by a professional organization that handles non-profit organizations. The application was spit back from the state for polishing a few things, was cleaned up and was put into the system to move down the food chain.

A CPA firm on retainer by the org now handles all financials and furthering of the tax status. As the former chair of the finance committee, myself and the committee did due diligence in determining what was legal within the limits of a 501(c)6. Carlos worked hand-in-hand with the foundation group to get the status rolling.

We didn't stick our hands into a hat while blindfolded. As I've said many times to intentionally deaf ears.. This thing was setup properly and with transparency. Some may choose to put their hands over their eyes and chant a nonsensical mantra to the contrary, but the org is a national business entity with its ducks lined up.

Its growing.
Its getting stronger because of contractors that want to make a difference in this industry.

2010 will see execution of phase 2 where the public will have an opportunity to stand up and take notice. Changes to the website, increased marketing, charity cleanings, regional establishment and an even stronger job leads generator means UAMCC contractors grow their business.

The UAMCC is neither better nor worse than any other org out there. It does do things differently. Everyone, I suppose, has to decide whether a more modern business model in an org is for them.
 
pressurepros said:
The application and business plan were handled from day one by a professional organization that handles non-profit organizations. The application was spit back from the state for polishing a few things, was cleaned up and was put into the system to move down the food chain.

A CPA firm on retainer by the org now handles all financials and furthering of the tax status. As the former chair of the finance committee, myself and the committee did due diligence in determining what was legal within the limits of a 501(c)6. Carlos worked hand-in-hand with the foundation group to get the status rolling.

We didn't stick our hands into a hat while blindfolded. As I've said many times to intentionally deaf ears.. This thing was setup properly and with transparency. Some may choose to put their hands over their eyes and chant a nonsensical mantra to the contrary, but the org is a national business entity with its ducks lined up.

Its growing.
Its getting stronger because of contractors that want to make a difference in this industry.

2010 will see execution of phase 2 where the public will have an opportunity to stand up and take notice. Changes to the website, increased marketing, charity cleanings, regional establishment and an even stronger job leads generator means UAMCC contractors grow their business.

The UAMCC is neither better nor worse than any other org out there. It does do things differently. Everyone, I suppose, has to decide whether a more modern business model in an org is for them.
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Ken for Stepping Away you sure know Alot?

Perhaps more than current TT or future BOD.

Is this then truly just a national Service Co?

It really sounds like that?
 
Ron, I was the chairman of the finance committee and I was the number 2 founding member so of course I know the business plan and model well. Everything else about the future has been presented to the members of the org.

A service company is very different in that its a private, for profit entity that sells its membership work and other than making sure the contractor is qualified, does not really have any interest in the industry as a whole. A service company will never perform charity work, fight too-strict BMP's, stand up for small business owners' rights or one day lobby for pressure washing contractors in government. The UAMCC is a group of contractors banding together with business ideas, networking and raising business practices. Its much the same as PWI only on a larger, more prominent scale.
 
pressurepros said:
Ron, I was the chairman of the finance committee and I was the number 2 founding member so of course I know the business plan and model well. Everything else about the future has been presented to the members of the org.

A service company is very different in that its a private, for profit entity that sells its membership work and other than making sure the contractor is qualified, does not really have any interest in the industry as a whole. A service company will never perform charity work, fight too-strict BMP's, stand up for small business owners' rights or one day lobby for pressure washing contractors in government. The UAMCC is a group of contractors banding together with business ideas, networking and raising business practices. Its much the same as PWI only on a larger, more prominent scale.
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condescending and arrogant (that about sums it up)
 
David.. PWI is a bulletin board. The UAMCC is a national corporation with a board of directors, a budget that could exceed hundreds of thousands of dollars and many volunteers and companies with a financial investment in its growth. Its more prominent by definition.. not arrogance. That's not taking anything away from PWI. Try not to read into something that isn't there. You are welcome to add to the discussion in an intelligent, coherent way. Your outbursts don't add anything constructive.
 
Ken do you read what you write?


your words "Its much the same as PWI only on a larger, more prominent scale. "


you use the word same.................. to me it looks like another cheap shot /slur on pwi

I'll wait for someone else to correct me
 
How about...........

"It's much the same as PWI only on a more formalized scale."

In my tiny little opinion, "larger, more prominent" doesn't really fit since PWI is larger if you're talking about member/participation numbers and PWI is pretty prominent in the pressure washing world.

Beyond all of that - can we all turn the egos back to simmer and not start any flaming here?
 
(pointing finger at other person) But he started it Celeste! hahahahaha
 
David, I cannot educate you in the use of the English language. The way I wrote it is grammatically correct. The word prominent is also the right term. Its an adjective defining the scale. Please reread my response and hopefully it becomes clearer. If not, move on.. its one line in a paragraph.

I feel like a drone. People wonder why true business people do not frequent the boards. The smart one realize the futility in it. I'm obviously not smart.

Its a no win situation. Some people have all these question but are afraid (for whatever reason) to ask them where they are supposed to be asked. So I come over here, stuff Jeff into the corner so he doesn't have an aneurism and try to openly and calmly answer questions. I'm supposed to be doing paperwork instead I am here responding to a guy who as of 6 months ago not even opened his PW business about the semantics of one line. David, your a unique guy. You and I have differing paths. I wish you the best in your travels.

Witch hunts are archaic and are conducted by people afraid of moving forward. Its a small tribe that conducts this hunt relentlessly. I have no idea what fuels it. Its a shame.
 
kenny last week you smeared some guy on umacc
you like smear people its what you do..you smeared 6 other people recently ...you have smeared people behind thier back
Being a former Chairman of the finance committee (a chairman of 2 people)
very impressive you should be as big as you say

kenny you should have followed Celeste advice she gave both of us 1 hour ago about toning it down you chose to escalate it

you are a cancer to this industry



ps Why dont we continue this over at umacc the free speech bulletin board
 
pressurepros said:
...............I feel like a drone. People wonder why true business people do not frequent the boards. The smart one realize the futility in it. I'm obviously not smart.....................

Who wonders that Ken? And if that is the case, then why is the UAMCC board offering help for its members to run their businesses? Every member of the BOD are veteran BBS'ers and according to your statement aren't "true" business people.

...........................Its a no win situation. Some people have all these question but are afraid (for whatever reason) to ask them where they are supposed to be asked..................................................................................

Where are they supposed to be asked Ken? Are you kidding? Anyone who dares ask too many questions on the UAMCC forum gets banned. It has made it perfectly clear that IF you want to be HEARD in the org you have to JOIN first.

And from your previous post:


......................................A service company is very different in that its a private, for profit entity that sells its membership work and other than making sure the contractor is qualified, does not really have any interest in the industry as a whole. A service company will never perform charity work, fight too-strict BMP's, stand up for small business owners' rights or one day lobby for pressure washing contractors in government. The UAMCC is a group of contractors banding together with business ideas, networking and raising business practices. Its much the same as PWI only on a larger, more prominent scale.............................

What are you talking about. Just to show you how off-base this paragraph is I'll apply it to our business.
1) We do have an interest in the industry as a whole
2) We do perform Charity work
3) We do fight too strict BMP's
4) We do fight for small business owners' rights (via associations)
5) We do lobby for pw in goverment when the opportunity arises.

ANY LEGITIMATE BUSINESS DOES MOST OR ALL OF THESE THINGS IN THE COURSE OF ITS OPERATION.

That includes any service company worth its salt.

I don't know what you were trying to say with that paragraph, it doesn't make sense.
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Ken, my answers to your posts are in red above.

Everybody else, get ready - if you think the UAMCC has been reckless with the industry and presumptive with it's superiority complex this is just the beginning. If they are telling the public to make sure they hire "UAMCC member contractors" now what do you think they will be telling our senators in the future?

This is a scary quote from our friend Ken -

The UAMCC will "one day lobby for pressure washing contractors in government."

Guys, this is what I've been warning about. Do we want a group that will not listen to ANYONE but themselves deciding policy for our entire industry?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

It's a time bomb that needs to be defused.
 
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