FORCED To Reclaim on Fundraiser Car Wash

[Al Patterson]

Al, your a nice guys that got sold a dream. Jim out in cali is hurting the industry because he is selling this hype when it only will work in certain areas and sistuations.
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Am I hurting the industry just for posting my day today?,I did not post this thread to argue or defend anything.
I really don't know why you are putting me one the spot tonight.....
Russ bought a reclaim....whats the difference???

 

[Al Patterson]

Al, you are a great guy. I've got nothing but respect for you. But do you hear what you are saying here? I've never met you, but I've spoken with you and I think I know the kind of man you are and I'm sure you believe everything you are saying is for the betterment of others on the board.

I feel the same way about Jim. He is a very good friend of mine who I also respect. But my disagreement with Jim is firm. The disagreement is that we should fall, hook line and sinker for the reclaim/filter sales technique that threatens to bring our industry down to non-existence.

What about the permit to haul hazardous waste?

Why, if in Contra Costa County, (one of the most strict counties according to Jim) proper reclaim consists of a "kit" with a sump pump to pump to grass or the sewer, is there even a market for a 12,000 lb vacuum cleaner on wheels to do the same thing?

Why aren't we fighting this tooth and nail?

Why isn't the UAMCC down there in your county fighting for sensible BMP's?

Where is the representation for our industry.

I'll tell you where it is. It's bent over, and hoping for at least a hug afterwards.

Tony
when I posted this I did not think it would go this direction,
the 18th of this month I have going to do a fundraiser car wash for my church and my pastor saw my equipment for the first time today and he is glad that I have it.
I try to have my priorities in order and I can say my biz is not my first on my list.

 

[Dollarspa]

I try to have my priorities in order and I can say my biz is not my first on my list.

Al great post

 

[Newlook]

Hey Al...I will give you a call tomorrow. I would have posted sooner but I was on the phone with Ron discussing a few things about GA and Cali.

 

[Tony Shelton]

Tony
when I posted this I did not think it would go this direction,
the 18th of this month I have going to do a fundraiser car wash for my church and my pastor saw my equipment for the first time today and he is glad that I have it.
I try to have my priorities in order and I can say my biz is not my first on my list.

Al, I didn't mean any offense to you. I know your biz is not the first on your list. I only wish you could have come out here to the RT so we could meet!

If there is any doubt in your mind that you may have possibly made the wrong decision in believing the hype and spending so much on reclaim it's your duty to reveal that to others that might make the same mistake.

On the other hand, if you believe with all your heart that you made the right decision you there's nothing wrong with saying that. I'm just going to be in disagreement.

We are brothers, we don't have to be twins!

 

[Christopher]

Maybe a separate thread should be started with each area's BMP's so that if someone is having a problem in their area, they can bring in copies of other areas to show their local people what other areas are doing and like Robert H. says, "Logical, Rational and Reasonable".

I can't find the local area BMP's for here but I am sure that other areas have theirs up on the city or county websites or maybe can scan them and upload them?

What do you think about this idea for a new thread?

 

[Lightning Gene]

Sounds like a good idea Chris but alot of cities dont have BMPs or ordinances to follow in Texas......You might find 4 That I can think of....

 

[Ron Musgraves]

Am I hurting the industry just for posting my day today?,I did not post this thread to argue or defend anything.
I really don't know why you are putting me one the spot tonight.....
Russ bought a reclaim....whats the difference???

Glad you asked, he is fighting for proper BMP's. Bmps' that are just and responsible.


According to what the actual EPA federal goverment has written
Pressure Wash / Power Wash Discharges

Section 301 of the Clean Water Act (CWA) prohibits a point source discharge of pollutants into waters of the United States without an NPDES permit. To legally discharge wash water, a pressure wash operator must obtain an NPDES permit for each discharge location. Due to the fact that many pressure washer operators are mobile, it is not realistic to pre-determine discharge locations and obtain permits for each location. Additionally, most NPDES permitted process water discharges require treatment and analysis of the discharge, which may not be practical for many pressure washers.

The most common method of compliance with the CWA is to prevent process wastewater discharges to waters of the United States. If your discharge does not reach waters of the United States, then there are no requirements under the CWA. Examples of compliance without a discharge are vacuuming up the process wastewater or berming the process water and allowing it to evaporate. An additional method of compliance is to discharge the water to an NPDES permitted sanitary sewer system (the municipality may have additional pretreatment requirements before accepting your discharge). The most common form of non-compliance is to discharge the process water into a storm sewer system or into a city street that drains to a storm water inlet. Most storm drainage systems in Region 6 discharge directly to waters of the United States without treatment, which means anything that discharges into a storm drain is the same as putting it directly into the waterbody receiving the storm drain discharge.​

 

[Al Patterson]

Neither will others buying equipment to sit and do nothing. But your willing to allow others to get hurt and do nothing?

I had to think about this one a while.....2:15am
I am guilty of not sharing what I do know and believe of what it means to be truly successful and prosperous.
For the ones that know me... know I would not do anything to hurt them or anyone else financially or personal attacks....probably just the opposite.
But I do need to help others more by standing up and sharing my beliefs to others on what it means to me to be truly successful.
Even if I don't say it directly, hopefully you can read between the lines my posts.(hopefully one day I will have the courage and support to speak openly)
Thanks for the pm guys, I really appreciate it.

 

[Ron Musgraves]

I had to think about this one a while.....2:15am
I am guilty of not sharing what I do know and believe of what it means to be truly successful and prosperous.
For the ones that know me... know I would not do anything to hurt them or anyone else financially or personal attacks....probably just the opposite.
But I do need to help others more by standing up and sharing my beliefs to others on what it means to me to be truly successful.
Even if I don't say it directly, hopefully you can read between the lines my posts.(hopefully one day I will have the courage and support to speak openly)
Thanks for the pm guys, I really appreciate it.

Al, I was once in your shoes. I paid 22,000 for my first unit. I used the heck out of in another feild, I stopped Fleetwashing because the requirements got ridiculous.

I studied the concrete cleaning 15 years ago and decided I would tackle it. I knew complience was going to be minimal for years to come. Guess what, people started saying you needed to comply like fleets, it was a lie. I knew it was alie and ten years went by and many freinds lost there homes familys and wives.

Al i will not allow it even if it costs me NCE, the dist that support NCE know I'm agaist this silly tactics on the indsutry and will not allow this practice to be unjustly forced down anyones throat without a fight.

I was never attacking you. Fighting for my brothers is how I see it.

Thanks Al,

 

[Jim@Garagecleaning]

In order to fight this, you would need more than a few state senators with some pull. Having 100,000 pressure washers up in arms is not going to change the BMP's that were written in some states as long as 20 years ago. Frankly, I am surprise it has taken so long to enforce. After all, 20 years is a long time.

My observation, The guys who do not have reclamation units for EACH of their pressure washer trailers are the guys who are making the most noise here on the forum.

Nothing said here today is going to change a state senators mind and go against all of the green peace movement thing and the millions of votes that go along with that movement.

Lets make this one point clear....I DO NOT SUPPORT FILTERING WHEN A SIDEWALK IS BEING STEAM CLEANED with ONLY HOT/ COLD WATER and not detergent.

However, if soap, detergent, cleaning stalls, paint removal, cleaning a painted bld. surface, car washes etc, thats when a filter should be used.

Its funny that Al posted this, I just posted a brochure from California last week on the UAMCC that stated a filtering package must be obtained from the state to do charity car washes here in California. I am sure that this is the case for Arizona as well, because I never have seen a high school car wash, no has my dad who lives there.

I have been told that others knew that this was coming as well. That's why you see others who last year have disagreed with this so passionately are now buying 20 to 40 k filtration units in order to comply with the issues at hand. If you do not get your ducks in a row sooner than later, you might as well close shop. Because the ones who have bought them, see this as a way to increase their income, otherwise why spend the money. ( ACTIONS SPEAKS LOUDER THEN WORDS someone recently told me. Another observation, if someone you know is buying a filtration unit and are saying something against filtering, then why buy a filtration unit to exceed current levels? Answer, they now it is coming and they are getting their ducks in a row to make a killing) They may not say it to everyones face, but let me tell you..... My filter has made me a very successful business man. Our filter has weeded out allot of our competition that we had back in 1989. Some of those pressure washers are now working at gas stations at Costco. ( I saw one the other day) You either adapt or get buried. The good news is that this should not be nation wide for another 4 to 9 years, so you have time to get your ducks in a row.

And yes, it started in the west. According to some, Claifornia.... others Arizona. The point is not where it started, but when is it coming to your neck of the woods.

You can write here and say it is not fair, or you can say.... I have a few years to get my ducks in a row. I better start preparing now, the storm is coming and when it dose, and it will come, I will have my house finally built on that rock, and not on the sand.

Ok, now lets hear from the ones who believe that we can change 20 years of BMP's and all the green peace movement with one complaint.

Al, I hope this reply takes some heat off you.

 

[Ron Musgraves]

In order to fight this, you would need more than a few state senators with some pull. Having 100,000 pressure washers up in arms is not going to change the BMP's that were written in some states as long as 20 years ago. Frankly, I am surprise it has taken so long to enforce. After all, 20 years is a long time.

My observation, The guys who do not have reclamation units for EACH of their pressure washer trailers are the guys who are making the most noise here on the forum.

Nothing said here today is going to change a state senators mind and go against all of the green peace movement thing and the millions of votes that go along with that movement.

Lets make this one point clear....I DO NOT SUPPORT FILTERING WHEN A SIDEWALK IS BEING STEAM CLEANED with ONLY HOT/ COLD WATER and not detergent.

However, if soap, detergent, cleaning stalls, paint removal, cleaning a painted bld. surface, car washes etc, thats when a filter should be used.

Its funny that Al posted this, I just posted a brochure from California last week on the UAMCC that stated a filtering package must be obtained from the state to do charity car washes here in California. I am sure that this is the case for Arizona as well, because I never have seen a high school car wash, no has my dad who lives there.

I have been told that others knew that this was coming as well. That's why you see others who last year have disagreed with this so passionately are now buying 20 to 40 k filtration units in order to comply with the issues at hand. If you do not get your ducks in a row sooner than later, you might as well close shop. Because the ones who have bought them, see this as a way to increase their income, otherwise why spend the money. ( ACTIONS SPEAKS LOUDER THEN WORDS someone recently told me. Another observation, if someone you know is buying a filtration unit and are saying something against filtering, then why buy a filtration unit to exceed current levels? Answer, they now it is coming and they are getting their ducks in a row to make a killing) They may not say it to everyones face, but let me tell you..... My filter has made me a very successful business man. Our filter has weeded out allot of our competition that we had back in 1989. Some of those pressure washers are now working at gas stations at Costco. ( I saw one the other day) You either adapt or get buried. The good news is that this should not be nation wide for another 4 to 9 years, so you have time to get your ducks in a row.

And yes, it started in the west. According to some, Claifornia.... others Arizona. The point is not where it started, but when is it coming to your neck of the woods.

You can write here and say it is not fair, or you can say.... I have a few years to get my ducks in a row. I better start preparing now, the storm is coming and when it dose, and it will come, I will have my house finally built on that rock, and not on the sand.

Ok, now lets hear from the ones who believe that we can change 20 years of BMP's and all the green peace movement with one complaint.

Al, I hope this reply takes some heat off you.

Jim, your wrong again. The UAMCC & PWNA along with Robert has accomplished the proper BMP results in the past few weeks. Spreading incorrect information like you do as it relates to nothing is whats hurting the industry. Just when we have broken some ground here with Al you say i hope this takes the heat off you? Al had no heat on him, as a freind and the passion I asked Al to truly look deep. I think he has said in his last paragraph crystal clear about what he really sees.

Al is a Christian, he struggles with this stuff because its complicated. Jim frankly you cause alot of it.

Its not a sen deal, the CWA is written well. The mis-information you try to imply is damaging to the industry. I got the call like some others got today from some california autorities. Its going to Blow up and dont say i didnt warn you. We have all seen good people hurt each and everytime someone wants to push the envelope.

You dont have millions to fight them Jim, a competitor will catch you on video doing something wrong, Worse one of your subs gets nailed. I dont wish it on you Jim, but we have all seen it happen time and time again.

We should be fighting responsible washing together and not apart. But theres always someone who thinks they can be elite.

 

[Al Patterson]

Al, I hope this reply takes some heat off you.

N0 WORRIES, I THINK I'M BANNED ANYWAYS!!!!
I can handle the heat from on the board,
The real HEAT came from my wife when phone started ringing at 3:00am and woke my wife up, I have a lot explaining to her today of why I only got 3 hrs sleep.
Jim, (and others)
appreciate the thought, but let it go from that angle <and others)If this thread keeps heading in the direction its going all its going to do it hurt people personally and will wind up deleted or getting someone banned.
That is Not why I posted this thread and there was nothing wrong with my post,
It did not state my opinion on the subject and I still have not spoken what I truly believe.
In one of Tony's post, he at least asked me where I stood!

 

[jlpressure]

Hey Al,

Best of luck with the carwash. hope they make a lot of money. Good stepping in to help all the time

 

[Russ Spence]

In order to fight this, you would need more than a few state senators with some pull. Having 100,000 pressure washers up in arms is not going to change the BMP's that were written in some states as long as 20 years ago. Frankly, I am surprise it has taken so long to enforce. After all, 20 years is a long time.

My observation, The guys who do not have reclamation units for EACH of their pressure washer trailers are the guys who are making the most noise here on the forum.

Nothing said here today is going to change a state senators mind and go against all of the green peace movement thing and the millions of votes that go along with that movement.

Lets make this one point clear....I DO NOT SUPPORT FILTERING WHEN A SIDEWALK IS BEING STEAM CLEANED with ONLY HOT/ COLD WATER and not detergent.

However, if soap, detergent, cleaning stalls, paint removal, cleaning a painted bld. surface, car washes etc, thats when a filter should be used.

Its funny that Al posted this, I just posted a brochure from California last week on the UAMCC that stated a filtering package must be obtained from the state to do charity car washes here in California. I am sure that this is the case for Arizona as well, because I never have seen a high school car wash, no has my dad who lives there.

I have been told that others knew that this was coming as well. That's why you see others who last year have disagreed with this so passionately are now buying 20 to 40 k filtration units in order to comply with the issues at hand. If you do not get your ducks in a row sooner than later, you might as well close shop. Because the ones who have bought them, see this as a way to increase their income, otherwise why spend the money. ( ACTIONS SPEAKS LOUDER THEN WORDS someone recently told me. Another observation, if someone you know is buying a filtration unit and are saying something against filtering, then why buy a filtration unit to exceed current levels? Answer, they now it is coming and they are getting their ducks in a row to make a killing) They may not say it to everyones face, but let me tell you..... My filter has made me a very successful business man. Our filter has weeded out allot of our competition that we had back in 1989. Some of those pressure washers are now working at gas stations at Costco. ( I saw one the other day) You either adapt or get buried. The good news is that this should not be nation wide for another 4 to 9 years, so you have time to get your ducks in a row.

And yes, it started in the west. According to some, Claifornia.... others Arizona. The point is not where it started, but when is it coming to your neck of the woods.

You can write here and say it is not fair, or you can say.... I have a few years to get my ducks in a row. I better start preparing now, the storm is coming and when it dose, and it will come, I will have my house finally built on that rock, and not on the sand.

Ok, now lets hear from the ones who believe that we can change 20 years of BMP's and all the green peace movement with one complaint.

Al, I hope this reply takes some heat off you.

Jim I am curious, maybe I missed it before and didnt see it but could you post pics or a pic of your reclaim unit?

We have all seen the Hot water rig numerous times but I dont remember ever seeing your filtration and reclaim unit

 

[Ron Musgraves]

N0 WORRIES, I THINK I'M BANNED ANYWAYS!!!!
I can handle the heat from on the board,
The real HEAT came from my wife when phone started ringing at 3:00am and woke my wife up, I have a lot explaining to her today of why I only got 3 hrs sleep.
Jim, (and others)

appreciate the thought, but let it go from that angle <AND do p up someone getting or deleted wind will and personally people hurt it to going its all direction the in heading keeps thread this others)If banned.<>That is Not why I posted this thread and there was nothing wrong with my post,
It did not state my opinion on the subject and I still have not spoken what I truly believe.
In one of Tony's post, he at least asked me where I stood!

No Al you cant get banned for your opionion everyone should spend 30,000 like you and not use the equipment but a few times.

No worries Al, I will never adress the issue with you again. the subject with you and I is MUTE.

Keep not washing stuff and make sure every county in GA is like QC.

 

[Big Mike]

Jim I am curious, maybe I missed it before and didnt see it but could you post pics or a pic of your reclaim unit?

We have all seen the Hot water rig numerous times but I dont remember ever seeing your filtration and reclaim unit

+1

Also, do you have a person dedicated to recovery while washing is being done?

 

[Jonathan Ellis]

I was going to post about Newton county today and then I saw this. I was doing a job there yesterday and I had the water authority pull up on me as well. He informed me that he sees them being hard and heavy within the next year.

 

[Larry Millette]

Hey, What the heck, It comes with a lifetime Warranty!

 

[Newlook]

Jim, your wrong again. The UAMCC & PWNA along with Robert has accomplished the proper BMP results in the past few weeks. Spreading incorrect information like you do as it relates to nothing is whats hurting the industry. Just when we have broken some ground here with Al you say i hope this takes the heat off you? Al had no heat on him, as a freind and the passion I asked Al to truly look deep. I think he has said in his last paragraph crystal clear about what he really sees.

Al is a Christian, he struggles with this stuff because its complicated. Jim frankly you cause alot of it.

Its not a sen deal, the CWA is written well. The mis-information you try to imply is damaging to the industry. I got the call like some others got today from some california autorities. Its going to Blow up and dont say i didnt warn you. We have all seen good people hurt each and everytime someone wants to push the envelope.

You dont have millions to fight them Jim, a competitor will catch you on video doing something wrong, Worse one of your subs gets nailed. I dont wish it on you Jim, but we have all seen it happen time and time again.

We should be fighting responsible washing together and not apart. But theres always someone who thinks they can be elite.

What was accomplished in Charlotte was a good thing for the industry. Not only should the UAMCC get credit but also PWNC for rallying the "troops" in that network. Numbers = strength.

And to take it one step further....a couple years back and probably before some of you started posting on these boards or were even in business in this industry....PWNC did a hell of a job getting contractors to rally around the drought problems in both N.C. & S.C. By doing this did indeed get the attention of city officials in the Carolinas.

I know Al can confirm this but I was on the phone with City Managers, Mayors, City Council Members from different city municipalities from GA pushing the message about washing and restrictions as early as late '07.

Getting contractors in front of decision makers is part of the formula that has proven to be successful in our industry.

The whole issue with the drought problem started with one individual and one post.....that would be Scott K. Hats off to you brother!