PWNA membership?

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hi-temp hydro

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I know that a lot of you guys are members, and it's something I'm considering & thought there are others here in the same boat. Some may want to join for recognition by a nationally accredited org., others for referrals, or whatever the reason may be, and that's fine. My question is how will this affiliation better equip my company to extend better quality service to my customers? Any good testimonials?
 
Save your money-they are not going to be around much longer-Just hold on a little.
 
Are they still around?
 
I go to PWNA.org just to see what is going on-they have a selection bar called Industry News-tap on it the only thing that is mentioned is Feb. 15 08 Everett Abrams resigns-they had nothing on a meeting or any news for members or us past members. They will never change-show me why I am wrong-anyone:)
 
David - I don't agree with you on principle.

However fact is, I haven't tossed them my money either and for two reason. 1) They only have somewhere around 158 members nationwide the last time I checked. 2) The best part of $400 could buy a lot of other stuff a young business like mine needs.

The reason I don't agree though is this: they persist because someone still believes.
As for my issues we are gaining business and more steady income I will be joining and that will make at least 159 members.

There price should lower to gain more members for sure. And if they do that there will be more members and therefore more participation and potential volunteers and voices to bring issues to the attention of the correct people on matters like their industry news section.

I think that is why I am so fond of this Board; people are here and listen. Even if they don't agree. And people like Ron and Russ don't just tell you that you're wrong. They also tell you how to fix the problem. I guess the that is the real reason I think you are wrong. People are there and listening. They just have to work on the price points for joining and the other stuff will follow. Every time a tool doesn't do as expected you don't just throw it away and get a new. If you did you'd be penniless. You try and fix the tool. And in this case I think PWNA is a tool.
 
Joseph, I dont think I have ever bashed the PWNA, but many know of a long troubled history of the PWNA and as I understand its still having major problems, sometime the tool is just the wrong tool and you have to give it up. I dont know if this is true for the PWNA but it sure has had its problems and many have just a negative view of it and I dont really think you can blame anyone for trying to steer you or anyone away from it for now

As of this day I think its a totally useless option for your company

Good luck to you, you came to the right place PWI is a great place

Jeff
 
Jeff - maybe you're right I haven't been at this nearly as long as you guys. I just know there is something about people that seems to make them want to start over instead of making it right. I personally think they should stagger their price based on company income, or offer new companies a discount, and definately offer multi year members a discount to keep the people like you and Ron who have knowledge in there to attract newbies like me. And David did have one thing right they need to keep the site updated. The true value of any Org. is its people and w/o guys that can help new members they will continue to flounder. Maybe they should figure out a way to get old timers involved and discount to new guys to build a larger base. Changing names and Orgs doesn't matter if it ends up being the same old regulars that ran the first one into the ground.
 
There are some very heavy hitters involved in the new PWNA. From what I understand, the running of the org is going back to the contractors and away from the management companies. I think its hard to get things going in the right direction and stay on track when you are running your own business and trying to run a national org as well, but with the right guys, it may be possible.

Look at some of the successful contractor organizations, and you will see that they are run by proven management companies. IKECA and NADCA come to mind. The contractors are BOD members, but the day to day is run by org management professionals, and those orgs are very successful.
 
I've been in this industry for over 15 years and I just sent in my renewal check a couple weeks ago. I use my membership, certifications and the courses I've taken in PWNA for marketing and it works for me. I've landed quite a few jobs as a result of membership and I've gotten some work from their member list that easily covered my membership renewal. Does the org need work? Yep I'm sure it does and it could probably use volunteers also.

If your looking at joining "an" org for the pressure washing industry and you want to do it now, what other options are out there? UAMCC hasn't really started and when it does it will take time to build itself up. WRAPI never got off the ground.

The PWNA may need work but nothing else out there can compare to it right now.
 
Newlook said:
The UAmCc has started. The UAmCc BBS www.uamcc.org/forums is up and running for contractors to offer suggestions and ideas on the benefits they want to see in an org. As a contractor in the industry you have a choice to make suggestions or not

I wish the PWNA best of luck!!
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PWI has joined all of them and will continue its relations with whom ever is interested.

Carlos, you run and org now and the BBS has no pm or e-mail restrcitions.

Your in a contractor area and your a associate members sell membership.

We extend the BBS to your new org. we want you to post new and talk with guys , find volinteers and such.

No solicting or advertisements outside the org forums or dist forums.

Anyone on the BOD this will apply to.

PWI has and will carry strict rules about advertisements.

A banner exchange might be something PWI admins and assist might be interested. maybe on Uamcc forum?

Of course PWI members would vote on it.
 
Henry Bockman said:
I've been in this industry for over 15 years and I just sent in my renewal check a couple weeks ago. I use my membership, certifications and the courses I've taken in PWNA for marketing and it works for me. I've landed quite a few jobs as a result of membership and I've gotten some work from their member list that easily covered my membership renewal. Does the org need work? Yep I'm sure it does and it could probably use volunteers also.

If your looking at joining "an" org for the pressure washing industry and you want to do it now, what other options are out there? UAMCC hasn't really started and when it does it will take time to build itself up. WRAPI never got off the ground.

The PWNA may need work but nothing else out there can compare to it right now.
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I agree, Its sorta ironic Carlos has never belonged to PWNA. It would be a benifit for them both to possibly share some of the same interest and work on projects and advancments together.

Kinda what we do here.

BBS have advanced the world of pressure cleaning. I have seen some bad turns, they where people not understanding the power they had and how they affected the industry with there actions.

PWI and its staff are the leaaders in the industry. We currently have the experts that industry people turn too.

PWI is a melting pot of contractors truly taking it to the next level.

Many of the experts in the industry are delighted about the advancements of the current BBS.

Pressure cleaning industry will always know they can achieve the fastest and the best answers from experts.

Dont get me wrong, we use to say its the same people everywhere. Not anymore, PWI hosts the most experienced contractors in the country.

Time will always tell the tale, If the Uamcc has a large web pressence? they will out run the PWNA old thinking and old ways.

The internet is here to stay and is changing the way we live & pressure wash.
 
Newlook said:
As always Ron you have a interesting way of looking at the industry. Hats off to you!
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Its truly not as much the BBS as the net.

I net has affected org and businesses that i have grown with. Some got on board and others didnt.

Example, PWNA doom was the closing of there successful BBS. Instead of fixing the problems and taking the problems to the next level they closed the bbs because it was easier.

I'm not ragging on this org, just pointing the obvious facts of the down falls.

There were others, No conventions, no business plan over a time period. The new president would start something and leave one year later and nothing ever got accomplished long term.

PWNA strenghts certainly are education platform, this started with delco university.( pioneers in PW education)

The same people that started Uamcc started pwna. Delco university is the leader in educating PW contractors. ( no one can dispute this)


The single biggest mistake of the PWNA was not to share the education programs with anyone that would particpate.

The largest mistake was not following thru with local chapters of the org.

With the Net at barking and tech world growing the web has done this. the web unites us each and everyday.

The web does the work of what used to take hundreds of volinteers and many paid staff members.

Example, by the end of todays close. A certain percentage of the PW community will read this post.

What is and org, its a collective body of people coming together with the same interest. its a club, its a bunch or guys with the same interest.

Dont invent the wheel over again, organizations have to operate different. they can have the old model platform but if you run them traditional they will not work.

Have you studied the modern problems very old are having in todays world? I have, you would be surprised at the struggles some conventional giant orgs have had over the last 5 to 10 years.

The information highway some would sy is destroying things. Its not, people just use this as and excuse for not wanting or ingnorance to changing.
 
Outstanding response Ron. The UAmCc will not reinvent that wheel you speak of because it is my belief and I feel the belief of others that it is the same old wheel...regardless if there is new tread on it or not.

The UAmCc is interested and will put a whole new set of "chrome rims" on their vehicle to get around the block.....
 
What is UAMCC-the web site is not up-are they a spin off of PWNA with Delco in the center?????
 
The UAmCc has taken its first significant step in advancing the organization for the pressure washing industry. The UAmCc Transition Team over the last couple of months has had numerous conference calls in which strategy, direction, policy and the transition of the organization was discussed, scrutinized and acted on. In conjunction with this we also held one-on-one discussions with contractors as it relates to the spirit and direction that the new organization has embarked on. Conference calls were also done with distributors to first of all acknowledge their presence in the industry and also to discuss the new UAmCc initiative as it relates to having an organization created by contractors for contractors. I would like to applaud all that has been involved in our discussion as of today. Needless to say many more discussions with many more individuals involved will be necessary for the UAmCc to continue to explore ideas and suggestion that best serve the pressure washing contractor.

The UAmCc BBS www.uamcc.org/forum went live and will serve as one of the primary vehicles that you the contractor are encouraged to utilize to convey your suggestions and ideas about the benefits you would like to see in the UAmCc organization.

The Transition Team and I are very excited about the future and prospects of the organization. We are looking to power wash contractors to participate in this endeavor. The collaboration from contractors on the UAmCc BBS will form the nucleus of the specific benefits that the UAmCc will offer to its membership base. You as a member of the organization will be privy to the UAmCc business plan in the near future and subsequent documents i.e. by-laws, financial statements. You the contractor will contribute and finalize the UAmCc Business Plan. More on that in the near future

The UAmCc Transition Team members all have a keen sense of what the new UAmCc is and will be about ~ an organization by contractors for contractors. Each transition team member has been a true advocate in ensuring that this new initiative is anchored with the realization that the contractors needs must remain in the forefront. I agree with that ideology and this is the direction we have plotted out from day one.

I would like to say “hats off” to Terry, Ken and Michael – members of the UAmCc Transition Team for their tireless efforts and time thus far. They have kept me anchored in this "transition" and the new UAmCc would not be where it is at today if it was not for their involvement and business aptitude! Even though today’s announcement is the first of many steps the industry must take in order to complete this "transition" we are off to a great start!

The New UAmCc is about providing direction, education and most importantly representing the contractor - get involved!!
 
Who are Terry, Ken & Michael and why are they the front line of this org.
 
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